Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louie McCroskey

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. _{Non-admin closure.} Ichibani _u^t_c 04:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Louie McCroskey[edit]

Non-notable college basketball player. While he meets the most basic level of notability for sportspeople, a player who averages less than 5 points per game is not deserving of a wikipedia page Thomas.macmillan 15:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His college career's not done yet, and he's expected to be one of Marist College's top players next year (as in, he will probably average more than 5 points). Also, there was some press to be made of his shouting match with coach Jim Boeheim.[1] Chengwes 16:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 13:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there is only borderline notability - but I think there is just about enough notability to justify inclusion in WP. -- Rehnn83 ^Talk 13:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - when googling the name, results return alot of hits but mostly from his recruiting information. He seems to have been a sort of "disappointment" once he got to college and this is why my keep is weak. Is a high school career enough to justify WP:NOTABILITY? His avg. of 5.6 pts a game is definately non-notable. Please weigh in on these issues. Plm209^{(talk to me • contribs)} 13:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Googling is not reliable, as it is possible that he has been Googlebombed, thus wrecking the credibility of such a test.--Vox Humana 8' 13:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not using it as a criteria by number of hits but for a general idea of his accomplishments. Likely, he has not been Googlebombed,why would one even think that is a likely cause for the results? Let's not be paranoid here. It's not like all the links were malicious, just not much about his college career. Plm209^{(talk to me • contribs)} 13:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As a former member of the Syracuse University Orangemen, and a current player for Marist College, this person has "played or competed at the highest level in amateur sports," and as such meets the notability guidelines for people. - Smerdis of Tlön 13:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The highest level in amateur sports in basketball is playing for an American university, rather than, say, the Olympics? Do all players who represent their universities around the world in any sport qualify, or is it just American basketballers? Nick mallory 14:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Yes, I think so. At least as far as men's college basketball in the US is concerned, pretty much any athlete on the team is going to be the subject of extensive, nationwide, third party coverage by disinterested reliable sources, and that's ultimately what any notability guideline is supposed to insure. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I might want to clarify here, since there are different level of men's college basketball in the US, is this just applying to NCAA Division I players, or players from ALL Divisions? Wildthing61476 14:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Yes, I was thinking of Division I schools here. Did not mean to express an opinion on smaller schools, who may not get the same level of attention. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I don't think it is fair to use such loose guidelines (basically that any division I athlete with a couple of recruiting pages is notable). For one, it is systemically biased against athletes in other countries who do not have such wide spread press coverage. I believe we should use a higher standard for people such as Louie McCroskey and other athletes: Did he have any impact on his team or sport? Was he captain, leading scorer or even a consistent starter? In 100 years, will information on him be useful? The answer to all of these is no. Just to mention, I started an AfD on Matt Gorman, which you can view by clicking his name here. ~~If any of those viewing this are administrators, could you speedily delete Jeremy McNeil, as it was sent to AfD in October but recreated.~~ These are all NN-Syracuse basketball players. Thanks--Thomas.macmillan 15:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Please delay that speedy delete request. If you read the Jeremy McNeil delete page, that was for an earlier entry that seemed to be based on a fictional character. The Jeremy McNeil that is currently there is playing for the National Basketball Development League right now. Thanks. Chengwes 15:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

keep? i guess i have to vote keep per smerdis of. he does meet the notability of playing at the highest level of amateur sports. on the other hand, this is an awfully low notability requirement. I think that criteria should be significantly revised and revisited. i think i agree with plm on this, that we have to find something better, but unfortunately we can't just change wikipedia policy by deleting this article. we have to go by the letter of the policy, and as is written now, this man fits, i guess? comments?Barsportsunlimited 19:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletions. -- -- pb30<talk> 21:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 09:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Let's write about him when he gets to be a good pro. There are gazillions of players around. Note that the notability criterion is «Competitors who have played or competed at the highest level in amateur sports», that is not the same as the highest amateur level in a professional sport. - Nabla 00:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.