Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lordi's Rocktaurant (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Lordi. I think I have assessed this is the correct Merge target. A talk page discussion can occur if there is a difference of opinion here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lordi's Rocktaurant[edit]

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Apparently translated from fi.wiki without a reasonable check of any of the sources. Appears to be a restaurant owned by a celebrity which closed in five years. Difficult to do a before, but I checked all the sources provided, and I assume the experienced editor who brought this here did their own due diligence and checked Finnish sources for other mentions. valereee (talk) 18:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. valereee (talk) 18:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Earlier AfD from 12 years ago redirected/merged to Lordi. Not sure why this was brought back, the restaurant certainly didn't become more notable after it closed. valereee (talk) 18:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Can't read the sources, but if it was brought to AfD as above and has since closed, logical to assume it still isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 19:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:18, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Lordi. Google reveals there's (largely overlapping) coverage from pretty much every major media outlet (including YLE) in Finland about the opening. Based on how short and similar most of the stories about the opening are, I'm assuming they are based on some common press release sent to the media at large. That would make them not count for WP:NCORP. At the same time, the Kavela story cited in the article is rather long, and the Hymy piece indicates there's more extensive coverage in offline sources (stating a longer story would be published in a paper version of the magazine). There's probably some argument to be made that this could be a borderline notability pass (if someone dug for the offline references), but at the same time this relatively short-lived restaurant didn't have any real lasting impact and had its fame appears to have been derived pretty much solely from its association with the band. Merging the content to the band article seems like a good way of splitting the difference. -Ljleppan (talk) 09:32, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No significant improvement in thirteen years, the restaurant doesn't exist any more and was not especially notable even when it did. JIP | Talk 21:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD discussion has been proposed for merger to Lordi, and a notice of the proposed merger was posted to that page on June 22, 2022. As such, this AfD discussion may need to be extended or relisted to incorporate input from that page.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or merge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, but probably merge not much more than the fact of its brief existence, into 'Tributes' section. Significance to sustain an article is not proven, existence is verifiable. Kevin McE (talk) 11:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Probably a better idea to place into the band's "Tributes" section. There isn't enough sources to be an article on its own, so it should work out a little more in that section as it is related to the band Lordi. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:14, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.