Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by Larry Norman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The merge option could be discussed at the article's talk page, if necessary. Shimeru 00:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs recorded by Larry Norman[edit]

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This list seems unencyclopaedic in its specificity and better suited to something like larrynorman.wikia.com, but being unfamiliar with the artist I thought an AfD was preferable to a prod. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I oppose deletion of this article as it is consistent with other articles appearing on Category:Lists of songs by authors or performers. I modelled the article on List of songs written by Bob Dylan. As regards specificity, can you be more specific as to exactly what is too specific so that I can address that editorially? Also, can you explain "prod"?(smjwalsh (talk) 14:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Encyclopaedias are intended to give an overview of a subject, not an exhaustive listing of details. See WP:PROD for an explanation of prod. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing me in the direction of the WP:PROD page. Although I've been editing on Wikipedia for almost 5 years, I am not familiar with most of the jargon. I agree with you about the nature of encyclopaedias, but there seems to be within WP list articles whereby an extensive and sometimes even exhaustive list of items is included. I referenced the list of Bob Dylan songs, as well as the category of lists of songs etc (see above). Another example: The List of songs recorded by Frank Sinatra article lists 957 songs (greater than the equivalent Norman article). As there is clear cut precedent for this type of article (I am familiar with the stuff exists article), this article is thus legitimate. Also, as discographies are permitted, then a listing of songs ought also to be included. Finally, on WP it says: "List articles are encyclopedia pages" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lists).(smjwalsh (talk) 15:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Comment Ideally, instead of attempting to duplicate this, one would have it as a link within the article about Larry Norman or within his discography. Mandsford 16:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Song Matrix referred to in your comment is referenced in the relevant articles. However, while the above source is the primary source, it is not the only one. There are songs omitted and also spoken performance pieces omitted. It is the starting point for creating a base. Other sources will be incorporated and integrated. Also, the way the original article is written does not allow information to be sorted.(smjwalsh (talk) 16:12, 5 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Whilst I do understand concerns as regards duplication of the primary source, it seems clear that user smjwalsh has plans to make this wiki list more encompassing and complete than the source. I see no downside in allowing him to continue in his endeavour. More importantly perhaps, I cannot find any grounds for deletion based on the fact that the article is a list or "unencyclopedic". Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists) indicates the acceptability of "A Discography page presents a listing of all recordings which a musician or singer features.". Given that Wikipedia rules appear to explicitly allow for such lists, and the fact that there are precedents in existence, I see no reason to insist upon deletion of this article. Whokilledduncan (talk) 15:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC) — Whokilledduncan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep with Merge - Whether the article is entitled: Larry Norman discography or List of .... is irrelevant. A merge of this data into one or the other articles is appropriate.--Mike Cline (talk) 00:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments. The main Larry Norman article has already been tagged as too long, and the consensus of editors there is to create sub-articles. This article is one endeavour to do so. I have stopped working on the article since it was put forward for possible deletion as I did not want to work on something that might be deleted, and there are some ideas I have to reduce repetitive data eg album titles, as well as to perhaps create an article on "List of Larry Norman songs covered by other artists".smjwalsh (talk) 01:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.