Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of snooker player nicknames

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The result was delete‎. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:59, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

List of snooker player nicknames

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List of snooker player nicknames (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Principally there is only a very weak case for it satisfying WP:LISTN. It's a tradition in snooker that each player has a nickname. There are some nicknames that are particularly noteworthy within the context of certain players (e.g. "Hurricane" Alex Higgins, "Whirlwind" Jimmy White, and of course "Rocket" Ronnie O'Sullivan). The snooker project now has a template (Template:Infobox snooker player/nicknames) that feeds these nicknames straight in the infobox. In that sense, this list is a duplication that serves very little encyclopedic purpose. Sometimes tabloid newspapers will publish the "top ten nicknames" or the ten funniest or whatever, but reliable sources (if you can call them that) generally regard such lists as trivia. Betty Logan (talk) 03:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Lists of people, and Cue sports. Betty Logan (talk) 03:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete

Although there is a case for improvement, this would mean unnecessary duplication of data. This article has also been a target for vandalism in the past, which was one of the reasons the template (Template:Infobox snooker player/nicknames) was created.

Alan. AlH42 (talk) 07:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete for the reasons outlined by Betty Logan and Alan above. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:45, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support the proposal to delete for the reasons already stated HurricaneHiggins (talk) 20:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep

  Just because some snooker players nicknames have been prone to vandalism in the past, that doesn't mean you should delete the page that lists all of them. That would be like saying "let's delete the list of top football goal scorers because we want to protect Ronaldo's Wikipedia page". Lots of people would appreciate the opportunity to see a list of these snooker nicknames together, hence this page existing for almost 20 years.

  If we removed every Wikipedia page that had an occasional incorrect edit, then we'd have very little of this website left.

  As for notability, there was a tweet just last month by World Snooker themselves - the organisers of the professional snooker tour - asking what Jak Jones' nickname should be. There have been BBC pieces about snooker nicknames done during the World Championships, books, it has been discussed on podcasts, the idea of specifically having a "snooker nickname" was muted by BBC Sport, there are specific articles detailing the history of snooker nicknames and how they were often used to promote events, - this article includes the quote "As snooker boomed in the 1970s and 1980s, players were often synonymous with their nicknames and referenced as such in the written press and when being introduced to audiences". They are a massive part of the sport - with players being introduced by them before the World Championships, and referred to as such by the media during events - and have been for decades. They are far from trivial, and having a list of them is an important document of a major part of the sports' coverage. Heck, even one of the users above is called "HurricaneHiggins", which was Alex Higgins' nickname! SnookerLoopyOneFourSeven (talk • contribs) 04:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

  Nicknames are important in the context of player coverage—that does not necessarily make them notable as an encylopedic topic in their own right. I agree with you that the amount of vandalism an article is subject to is not a consideration for whether an article should exist or not, but WP:LISTN is. To demonstrate that the article satisfies WP:LISTN it should be possible to show that snooker player nicknames have received significant coverage in reliable sources as a group, not just within the context of an article about the player. Nobody here is suggesting nicknames should be removed from player profiles—indeed, the snooker project has recently taken steps to integrate a player's nickname more seemlessly into the infobox on player articles. It's just a question of how they should be documented on Wikipedia—as the proposer of this nomination I think the proper place for this information is in the player articles, but I struggle to see the encyclopedic value of just having a list of nicknames. Betty Logan (talk) 08:04, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

  To SnookerLoopyOneFourSeven. If I gave the impression in my previous post that vandalism is a reason for deletion of this article, that was certainly not the intention. The main reason, as pointed out by Betty Logan is that it fails WP:LISTN. There is also the matter of duplication of data, since we now have a list in the new template which feeds directly into players' infoboxes. If this article is to remain, it would need to mirror the data in the template.

  Alan. AlH42 (talk) 07:08, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete. The main reason this article should not exist is because it fails LISTN. People who wish to keep this page should demonstrate the topic as a whole has been covered significantly in multiple IRS sources that aren't just listicles or tabloids. JoelleJay (talk) 00:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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