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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus. Deathphoenix ʕ 02:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of series connected to the Tommy Westphall Universe[edit]

This should be deleted for many reasons: This article violates WP:NOR, as there are no definite references to this in any listed series; the article is nonsense, in that it doesn't explain criteria and lists shows that premiered years before or after St. Elsewhere, and it violates WP:NOT in that all this is, therefore is a list of shows that have some sort of tenuous link based on one person's speculation that doesn't make a lot of sense in the first place. MSJapan 15:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It needs some rewriting/cleanup and some sources, but the basic information is not Original Research - I just did a quick Google search and this came up on the first page of results: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers.html wikipediatrix 16:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Yes, while that's somewhat well-organized, if still a bit "I've got too much time on my hands" inspired", nobody's got any idea where any of the other shows are coming from as far as this list on WP is concerned, and therefore it's really not telling anyone anything that is of any use. I could conceivably add any show I wanted, becauzse there's no way to really check. If there is a way to check the actual sources, but it's only off that site you found, don't we have a copyvio problem? MSJapan 16:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Couldn't hurt from some sourcing, but this is what "(making) the internet not suck" is all about. Useful ref tool for this bit of pop culture. youngamerican (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak to the point of needing resuscitation keep. There is some debate about this so its not OR, but the whole thing is built on such a faulty premise that it is ridiculous. A shame really, since you could infer from it that if I imagine I'm talking to George W. Bush then it would be impossible for him to exist in the real world. Unfortunately, that's no reason to delete. Grutness...wha? 00:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Interesting reference, as noted above. I believe this has survived AFD before, too. As noted, this is something that was introduced in a major work of fiction and has been alluded to elsewhere; it isn't original research nor is it specualtion dreamed up by one person (except, I guess, the creator of Tommy Westphail). 23skidoo 21:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Additional suggestion to incorporate any useful information from the article Tommy Westphall which is also up for AFD and which I support deleting, and rename this article Tommy Westphall Universe or some similar title. 23skidoo 02:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • DELETE nonsense, this is just trying to aggrandize St. Elsewhere. 132.205.45.148 02:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Although I just voted to keep Tommy Westphall, the list of shows connected to the "Tommy Westphall universe" is not meaningful without explanations of how they connect to each other, and Wikipedia can't include that without going into original research or a copyright violation from a source such as Tommy Westphall's Mind - A Multiverse Explored. --Metropolitan90 03:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or Merge with the other Tommy Westphall article. I see no real need to keep both, but I think the idea is valuable and worthwhile---it is not original research, it is not the figment of the imagination of one Wikipedia user, no is it nonsense. The argument for deletion offered here is even more weak than the one offered in the other AFD. --Charles 03:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, no context or citations. Either original research, or a direct lift from whatever website originated the Westphall Universe 'family tree'. Why is (for example) Hi Honey, I'm Home in this universe? You couldn't even begin to guess by reading this list. The list really only serves as a pointer to the website that hosts the annotated crossover listings. -Sean Curtin 05:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Aside from being completely unsourced, the logic upon which the universe is based is fundamentally flawed. I have not seen a reliable source supporting the existence of the "universe" from a factual standpoint (quotes from producers or writers on these shows) or a sound, convincing logical articulation of how and why Tommy Westphall dreamed all these shows. The whole concept is the domain of "wouldn't it be cool if" and is completely speculative. It should not be legitimated by a Wikipedia article. Croctotheface 11:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with other Westphall article. Notable and clearly highlights an important televisual phenomona. Ydam 16:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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