Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of prison deaths

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (NAC) RMHED (talk) 23:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of prison deaths[edit]

Fails WP:NOT#INFO. The list is unlimited and/or unmaintainable, every person who was sentenced to life in prison can be listed here, better serves as a category, if needed. Prod removed a while back, Delete Secret ^account 20:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Keep references must be added, otherwise delete Ijanderson (talk) 22:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sources could easily be found, but that isn't why I proposed this article for deletion. Secret ^account 22:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A list like this would be preferable to a category called "People who have died in prison". As with a category, it's limited to people who are notable enough to have articles on them kept on Wikipedia; the difference is that, unlike a category, it (a) has some further explanation and (b) can be sourced. Within those limitations, I don't think it's unmaintainable. I can't imagine any circumstance where a name would be removed from the list of dead persons. The truth is, a lot of people who get sentenced to life in prison don't die there, simply because nursing home care isn't part of the system. Mandsford (talk) 02:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep on the basis of mandsford's argument--with the additional pointy that a great many people with less than life sentences die there. DGG (talk) 05:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Delete - delete deaths that are not referenced (currently all). Esasus (talk) 22:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Keep - with the conditions noted by Mandsford and Esasus. Rlendog (talk) 22:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep WP:INTROTODELETE "Deletion nominations rarely improve articles, and deletion should not be used as a way to improve an article, or a reaction to a bad article. It is appropriate for articles which cannot be improved." most of the editors above state that this article needs to be improved. Articles for deletion are not supposed to be used to improve articles, nor as threats to delete the article if the article is not cleaned up. Ikip (talk) 02:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - argument that lifers die in prison is US-centric. Civilised societies attempt reform and release or parole "lifers" at some point. The into to the list could stipulate that the list should include only those who died whilst incarcerated from unnatural causes (other than judicial murder). Albatross2147 (talk) 02:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What are the inclusion criteria for this list? The lede makes it seem that it should only include people who already were famous for other stuff and happened to have died in prison. So would it exclude individuals who are famous for having died in prison? (I'm thinking of people like Zhang Bin and Sun Zhigang, whose deaths in re-education through labor and custody and repatriation facilities, respectively, brought a lot of international attention to the Chinese prison system.) Just curious. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Regardless of the answer to my question above, I think this article has a lot of potential...if the inclusion criteria are straightened out, it has the potential to become a featured list, since it's the sort of list that probably hasn't been compiled in one place ever before. It needs to be defined a bit better, it needs some major formatting cleanup (it would probably be better in a table than a bullet list), and it needs refs for every item in the list (hopefully most of these refs can be gotten from the individuals' articles)...as far as I can tell, that's about all it needs. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep,This article has a bit of room to grow as politizer said. Perhaps a description of each death could be added. This article should cite its sources...but otherwise its good. It certainly meets WP:N.Smallman12q (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. But consider rewording to "notable" people as fame is subjective and insist every entry has an article. Lists and categories serve different purposes and this is an acceptable list. A more meaty intro lede would also be nice. -- Banjeboi 03:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.