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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus for deletion. Discussion on what to include in the list (as far as a cutoff for inclusion) should continue on the talk page of the article. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of power outages[edit]

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Broad endless list with an unclear criteria of inclusion 1,000 people??. Unplanned power outages are a very often occurrence, especially when it's weather related. Better off as an category Delete Secret account 02:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dab, and create sub-pages such as List of non-weather power outages with more than 1 million customers. YE Pacific Hurricane 02:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I may support a list a notable (non-weather) blackouts but obviously there would be a problem with a dab, as many of those power outages are just normal weather related outages plus arbitrary inclusion/disclusion concerns. Secret account 02:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • CommentI would not exclude weather so casually. Extreme heat (in summer-peaking) or cold (in winter-peaking) utilities has led to overloads which led to large, and long-lasting outages which had societal effects such as restructuring of electric company management or major infrastructure improvements. Edison (talk) 17:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete because having any sort of amount of people included would lead to arguments about arbitrary cutoff. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:49, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as power outages aren't inherently notable unless they get coverage from multiple sources. If it's a big enough blackout, it will get a name and coverage; listing every time the lights blink due to a snow storm will be an endless task, better handled by the authorities like NERC who get paid to track such statistics. --Wtshymanski (talk) 03:52, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the category is good enough for any truly notable, regionwide power outage. 1,000 people, or even 1 million people, is a pretty low bar. Calwatch (talk) 05:15, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:24, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It does get a lot of traffic, though, doesn't it? And what was going on Halloween when 1400 page views occured? I'm always curious when I see a big spike like that. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is sort of interesting. (Wait, there's a policy against that isn't there?) Anyway I think that 1,000,000 would be a better cut-off to define a major power outage than 1,000. BigJim707 (talk) 16:35, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but limit to notable power outages which have or which could have their own articles. A notable outage will have more than "news story" coverage; a few major blackouts have had enduring effects, hearings by national legislatures, and restructuring of how electricity is transmitted and controlled, along with books and TV shows long after. Remove random outages affecting small numbers of customers or large numbers for short times which are not in themselves notable, and remove ones based on original research by Wikipedia editors guessing how many customers were affected based on the geographic areas to calculate an arbitrary "customer hours" cutoff. A better filter based on some industry standard might be useful, though. And by the way, notable outages did not begin in 1965. There were blackouts in the US that affected the largest cities for hours, or which spread across multiple smaller cities, in earlier decades as well, larger than some outages listed in the article. The challenge in such a list as this is to keep out every trivial instance mentioned in a newspaper as a news event. Edison (talk) 17:11, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dab-ify (e.g. List of power outages that affected Manhattan) and only include power outages that affected a large number of people, or somehow involved or disrupted major events. HurricaneFan25 18:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The topic is notable per WP:LISTN — see Problems on the Power Grid for an example of a source which lists major incidents of this kind. The rest is a matter of ordinary editing per our editing policy and AFD is not cleanup. Warden (talk) 19:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's an parent article on the topic, Power outage which the notable blackouts can be merged, again I don't see a stand alone list as discriminate. Secret account 20:16, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:55, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:55, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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