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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. The list could be replaced by a category for those listed articles of value, I think, which should satisfy those few wanting the article kept. I have discounted the opinions of User:Royboycrashfan (because the list doesn't have to be a list of external links, it could be replaced with redlinks as one user suggested), User:Jcuk (because he made no argument) and User:Yuckfoo (because he made no argument). Anyone wishing to hurl rotten tomatoes presumably knows how. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:48, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of independent Baptist colleges[edit]

Small list of schools linked to external sources, which are already available at List of Bible colleges and Category:Seminaries and theological colleges, which makes this redundant. Plus there is a separate article for Bible college. There is no need to have these articles, which have the same material. Arbustoo 03:37, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Arbustoo 03:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Pretty redundant given the category and list mentioned by the nominator, and hardly expandable to something worth keeping. --Kinu 03:45, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep with the caveat that we replace the external links with red links. Nine of the school have Wikipedia articles. The content of this list isn't covered by List of Bible colleges because that list doesn't not the denomination a particular school is affiliated with. The same holds true with Category:Seminaries and theological colleges. I could be convinced to delete if a category was created, in the vein of Category:Roman Catholic universities and colleges in the United States.
They are already listed by religious criteria twice over and in other ways too. Also it is "independent" Baptist, which is different than "Baptist." Should all different Baptists get separate lists too? Arbustoo 09:24, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Ardenn 08:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Even though there is a category for Jesuit colleges and universities in the US, there is also a List of Jesuit universities in the United States, which lists by state. Independent Baptist is different that Baptist as Jesuit is different that Roman Catholic. —ERcheck @ 22:31, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: ERCheck registered February 3rd. Arbustoo 02:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Arbustoo - I don't know what your point is in the above comment. But, in fact, I registered in October 2005. It is "ERcheck", not ERCheck (which is not a registered user name). You registered in January 2006. How is that relevant to this AfD? —ERcheck @ 02:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I read the wrong article entry. As for your claim; a "Jesuit school" entails a easily defined group. Indepedent Baptists are not a particular sect, but simply have no affliation. The analogy you put forth does not hold water. As for "Independent Baptist is different that Baptist as Jesuit is different that Roman Catholic," you might want to re-read what an independent Baptist is. A Jesuit is a denomination. Catholic is a denomination. Baptist is a denomination. An indepedent Baptist is still a Baptist, just one that does not have ties to the main organization. That is why this list is AfD. Arbustoo 04:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I understand from Independent Baptist that independent baptists do not belong to a denomination but are 'self declared'. This makes such a list inherently NPOV. The Jesuits are a religious order and easily definable.--Porturology 03:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. While the Independent Baptists claim not to belong to a denomination, they do in fact have characteristics in common and behave much like a denomination. This group of colleges is part of what holds them together. Having a separate list like this is useful information. See also Church of God (Anderson) for another group that claims not to be a denomination. H2O 20:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A few comments about accreditation. I don't think it is relevant one way or another that many of these schools are not accredited. They are religious schools. Many religious schools choose not to go through the accreditation process, because they wish to remain independent, not necessarily because they are diploma mills. This group of Baptists is VERY independent, so it is not surprising that these schools are not accredited. Even for them to join the Southern Baptist Convention would be for them a form of compromise. H2O 00:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See World Baptist Fellowship. (by the way, their Arlington Baptist College, IS accredited) The articles do need improvement, but not deletion. H2O 00:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That article doesn't exist. We're calling it list of... for a reason. Please see the Wikipedia naming conventions. - Mgm|(talk) 10:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Typo on my part. Fixed, above. -- Karnesky 21:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for the same reason as at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Independent Baptist College. Melchoir 08:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This looks a lot like an attempt at Gastroturfing - the first one I checked with a Wikilink (rather than an external link, whihc I'd say is questionable, since why would we list places not notable enough for articles?) was Providence Baptist College. I checked on its accreditation status, and can't find any evidence of accreditation (which may be defective searchign skills or not). I suspect that this mix of redlinks, weblinks and wikilinks is part of the Southern Baptist walled garden. I see no evidence that these colleges self-identify as a separate sect, as the title implies. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] 11:42, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, Gastroturfing. Lists should be aids to navigation or page creation, this is neither. --Malthusian (talk) 11:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and clean up if need be. Jcuk 08:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Better suited to a cat.Gateman1997 06:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Colby Nolan? Arbustoo 20:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'keep please this is a important and helpful list Yuckfoo 19:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Jason Gastrich sent you to AfDs in the past and I think this might be the same situation (the reason is his sock puppet has been floating around-- see Independent Baptist College). You copy and pasted your post from Independent Baptist College AfD vote... as you can tell without punctuation, the exact wording is the same, and no capitalization. But anyway, explain how this list fits Wikipedia criteria. Why is it "important"? What makes it helpful (considering it links mostly to schools that do not have accreditation or wikipedia articles)? Arbustoo 20:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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