Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of hip hop singers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. With 4 out of 6 in favour of deletion there is an element of discretion here, but the fact that the nominator seems unsure about whether this should even be deleted makes me err on the side of keeping. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 14:46, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of hip hop singers[edit]

"Hip hop singer" is a misnomer (this is a group of singers from other genres -- mostly R&B and reggae -- who frequently appear on hip-hop songs - which actually would include 70% of all R&B artists, making the selection of artists inherently POV) - and artists who happen to record hip hop music and other genres as well. The article will only confuse readers, and provides little factual encyclopedic value. I would suggest renaming it as "List of singers who frequently appear on hip hop songs", and it could replace the large and unwiedly Hip hop collaborations, which I have proposed for deletion using the "prod" tag. FuriousFreddy 18:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with FuriousFreddy that this should be moved to List of singers who frequently appear on hip hop songs (and perhaps we should consider a similar move for the category associated with it).--Urthogie 19:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Doesn't seem to be anything wrong with this list and the nom seems to be asking for a rename. To my knowledge renaming an article does not require deleting it first. Hence keep. -- JJay 20:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I also vote keep-- a move can be properly discussed on the talk page.--Urthogie 20:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Need a consensus first Some people may not believe that either article should exist. --FuriousFreddy 22:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak~~ Delete: This feels a bit like Wikipedia is trying to list/categorize something that is without a doubt culturally notable, but doesn't yet exist in a firm, defined, categorizable way in the culture. But there's probably too much going on in this one request to form a concensus on what to do. Is AFD the right venue? Cleanr 17:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as redundant to a category. This appears to be listcruft. Stifle 22:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sort of like the 200 lists found at Category:Lists of musicians. -- JJay 23:07, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My fave there is List of smooth jazz performers which grew over time to include sublists of composers and disc jockeys amongst the performers of smooth jazz. Were it not against the rules, a List of lists containing multiple unrelated lists would be fun to illustrate the trend -- but then we'd need a duplicative category, too. :-) Cleanr 23:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, we have plenty of lists of lists. See Category:Lists of lists, or List of topic lists. -- JJay 23:39, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete wrong category as per stifle ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 23:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.