Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films considered the worst (11th nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:05, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of films considered the worst[edit]

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Wikipedia is supposed to present facts, such as "13 is the number after 12", not popular negative opinions, such as "13 is the worst number". This article talks about films in a way analogous to the latter statement. Georgia guy (talk) 15:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep per previous AfDs. This is beating a dead horse at this point. JOEBRO64 15:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Previous Afd's?? This is the first nomination of this article; otherwise this Afd would need a title like "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films considered the worst (2nd/3rd/4th... nomination)". Georgia guy (talk) 15:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Georgia guy, there are 10 previous AfDs listed on the talk page. JOEBRO64 15:40, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - The article's first AfD was under a different title, so there hadn't previously been an AfD titled Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films considered the worst. There have been previous AfDs, though. I've moved this AfD to say "11th nomination" so that some of the prior nominations are shown here. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:05, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I don't know why people keep nominating this. Bkatcher (talk) 17:13, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Although a lot of work has gone into producing this list it is still just a list of opinions. The worst film I've ever seen was Pier 5 Havana, but it's not listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Athel cb (talk • contribs)
Keep Every entry is cited. Every entry is infamous for its status as bad, rather than just opinions. The inclusion criteria is difficult, with editors who have tended the page being very tough on which films to exclude. The article is one of the best cited, best "gatekept" on Wikipedia. The films are not 2-bob straight to DVD obscurities and all have their own articles, in which their status is also cited. I see no reason to delete this article for being something it's not. doktorb _words^deeds 16:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep - nobody has presented a valid reason for deletion. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a notable topic per WP:NOTESAL. No policy-based or guideline-based argument was put forth in the nomination statement. Wikipedia contains content that encompasses facts and opinions from reliable sources to be included based on its policies and guidelines. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per past AFD as well as similar arguments at this recently closed AFD (for keep) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of video games notable for negative reception --Masem (t) 16:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Every entry on this article is extensively cited, to reliable sources which call the film one of the worst of all time. There are frequent suggestions for new entries (such as the Emoji Movie thread currently on the talk page) which are rejected if extensive citations in reliable sources are not presented. The contents of the article are not the opinions of any editor or editors. CodeTalker (talk) 17:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep For real? How many times does this need to come back here? Clearly notable for reasons established in previous WP:SNOW-closed AfDs.LM2000 (talk) 17:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - Should be closed per WP:SNOW. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 17:43, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - lists containing subjective content are completely acceptable as long as they are linked to reliable sources, which this list is. By the logic of this AfD, we may as well delete every film and album reviews since they are just full of people stating their opinions... Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:50, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep "11th nomination"? Really? I know that this article has been a pain in the arse because people used to like to add stuff that they personally disliked but the inclusion criteria don't allow this. The semi-protection has put a stop to the majority of that nonsense and the rest gets removed manually. It doesn't seem to be out of control. Anyway, it is a valid subject and the effort of keeping the article clean and on-topic is just something we have to accept. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep as per WP:SNOW, but I also mostly made this post just to comment on OPs "13 analogy" by pointing out that we actually do have this page.
Keep per inclement weather. Deletion Plan 11 from Outer Space has failed, just like its illustrious predecessors. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:22, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Snow keep. The topic of the list is itself notable, as discussions of the "worst film of all time" are frequent. And this version of such a list is well sourced to reliable and authoritative sources. I think we've reached blizzard conditions here, frankly. oknazevad (talk) 20:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete though it's a notable topic and well sourced it is also very opinionated. One can aim to gain some sort of consensus on what is generally considered to be the worst films but in the end it's all just opinions. A garbage film to one group of people could be seen as a masterpiece to another. It's subjective and Wikipedia isn't about defining an argument, only explaining it. I would propose perhaps reshaping the article to discuss what critics believe make a bad movie bad versus listing a bunch of movies some people found to be bad. TheMovieGuy
Speedy keep. I am no fan of these ambiguous lists but after uncalculatable AfD's spanning across the project - they're here to stay. In this case, after 11 deletion discussions, this may border on disruptive. Ifnord (talk) 22:03, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep Meets WP:LISTN. KidAd • SPEAK 22:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per all the above. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, popular opinions have always been included in the wiki since forever, otherwise there wouldn't be any "reception" and "legacy" sections in articles. enjoyer|talk 08:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep Kept at least 10 times prior, most recently in 2018. Topic is notable and list has strict inclusion criteria. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 16:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as others have said, we're beating a dead horse. Strict criteria to add and everything is reliably sourced. QueerFilmNerd^talk 04:28, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. My person opinion as to the page itself doesn't matter. If we have any hope of being consistent over time, then the nine previous discussions should control this decision. Nothing material has changed about the page, the subject, or our standards since the last time this issue was debated. Let the horse rest.49ersBelongInSanFrancisco (talk) 05:40, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.