Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of famous tyrants

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of famous tyrants[edit]

Was tagged for speedy with the reason "Impossible to maintain, can be covered by individual lists such as List of dictators". That is not a reason for speedy deletion. I am unsure whether redirecting or splitting are appropriate, so I list this here procedurally, with no vote yet. Kusma (討論) 12:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, apart from that not all tyrants are leaders this is also impossible to maintain as tyranny is subjective. What about Tsar Nicholas II aka Nicholas the Bloody? He was considered a tyrant by the Russian people but the massacre has so many conflicting stories it is impossible to know if he was responsible for the massacre, though eh was not even tat the Winter Palace at the time of the peoples protest, or if the people were responsible by provoking the police and actually the massacre wasn't as bad as they say but the facts greatly exaggerated to paint a picture of children being shot down while praying, or maybe the police were responsible and one accidently let go of a shot causing a chain reaction, or they overreacted, or they acted without thinking. There are many many other examples. –– Lid^(Talk) 13:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, to expand my meaning of "Tyranny is subjective" let me give the example: Do we list Hugo Chavez or George W. Bush? –– Lid^(Talk) 13:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to look at List of Ancient Greek tyrants for prior discussion on this. You're certainly correct that there are some disputes about whether some people are tyrants or not, but not always. Besides, even when they are, if the perspective is outside of Wikipedia (IOW, it's not a personal question of the authors POV), then it would be reasonable to put someone on a list, and if there is some debate, such as you mention about Nicholas II, put it on the individual's page. FrozenPurpleCube 17:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Lid's well made point. "Tyrant" is matter of perception and not an actual rank or title. PJM 13:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Lid. Tyrant is by its nature a POV word and the arguments over who or what constitutes a tyrant are never-ending. Add in that it is just another list then there is no real reason to hang onto this. Keresaspa 15:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete POV list, made redundant by List of dictators. -- IslaySolomon 16:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but do something as I think that with the right criteria, the page could be appropriate, but it would be helpful to sort the list (such as the already mentioned Ancient Greek Tyrans), but I'm not sure of what ones to go with. Maybe make a category? I dunno. Still, we shouldn't let ourself get so caught up in being NPOV that we can't even say "these are some people thought of as tyrants" FrozenPurpleCube 17:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, unavoidably POV. Gazpacho 19:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above, POV.--Hús ö nd 21:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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