Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of events at José Miguel Agrelot Coliseum

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 23:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of events at José Miguel Agrelot Coliseum[edit]

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This list is clearly against WP:INDISCRIMINATE. We don't need a record of every event held at this arena, the more notable events should be listed at the parent article (José Miguel Agrelot Coliseum). The "upcoming events" section is additionally against WP:FUTURE. I am also nominating the following related page for the same reason:

-- P 1 9 9 ✉ 16:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OBJECTION!: If it wasn't for these articles on Wikipedia, the Puerto Rican people, MY PEOPLE, would've never known what events are being held at the "Choliseo"! I am 100% AGAINST the deletion of these pages!

-- BsaPR1996 19:39, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm fixing this to where it won't break off into a new subsection, as that will interfere with the AfD as a whole. Now the one thing I will say is that Wikipedia is not a place to notify people of events. We're not a calendar of events for things held at any location. You have to show that these events are particularly noteworthy as far as the Coliseum goes. By this I mean that the events would have received a pretty substantial amount of coverage in the news, as you'd have to show that these events were noteworthy enough to warrant an article themselves. We almost never keep just indiscriminate lists of every person that has ever performed at a location. When we do, it's along the lines of highly notable events that merit an article. If they can't pass notability guidelines for their own article, then odds are that they don't need to be on here. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:35, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - apparently the events are so non-notable that wp:PROMOTION is needed for the intended audience to find out about them. Neonchameleon (talk) 12:32, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:PROMOTION and no real notability either. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 13:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per precedents such as Events at Madison Square Garden and every single article categorized under Category:Lists of events by place. Nominator has gone on a deletion spree and nominated several of these articles for deletion when the fact that several of them exist on Wikipedia shows that our readers and contributors desire them.

This is also one of the most encyclopedic articles that I have ever seen as it lists every single event hosted at the venue which is akin to a recordkeeping similar to the Library of Alexandria.

This is NOT WP:INDISCRIMINATE, it is actually extremely encyclopedic and factual.

In addition, this article is quite in tune which two guidelines: namely WP:SPLITLIST and WP:STANDALONE as the list would be so long that it merits an article by itself.

Also, per WP:EDIT, a policy:

Wikipedia is here to provide information to people; generally speaking, the more information it can provide (subject to certain defined limitations on its scope), the better it is.

The only policy this could violate is WP:NOTDIR but then you look at it and it says (in relation to lists):

[There] is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic.

These entries "are famous" because they "significantly contribute to the list topic". I wish we could have an article like this for every single notable venue on the planet; past, present, and future.

We then have WP:SALAT which states that:

The potential for creating lists is infinite. The number of possible lists is limited only by our collective imagination. To keep the system of lists useful, we must limit the size and topic of lists. Lists that are too general or too broad in scope have little value, unless they are split into sections.

This list is extremely valuable as it is an encyclopedic record of every single event held at the venue. It is also neither general nor broad as it is divided by year: events in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, and so on.

Furthermore, per WP:FIVEPILLARS Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia is "a reference work [...] to which one can refer for confirmed facts". Every single event listed here is a fact. Look at it from this point of view: would it be ENCYCLOPEDIC to have a list of every single event hosted at the Ancient Agora of Athens? It would most definitely be. Historians would go crazy over something so valuable as that. Why should we limit ourselves when Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia and is therefore not limited in what it can host? Deletion of this article would set a precedent and have dire consequences for the project.

In conclusion, we must keep this list not only for the sake of Puerto Rican history, but for the sake of the project as a whole.

—Ahnoneemoos (talk) 04:08, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:: 'Upcoming events' and 'Events pending' must be removed per WP:CRYSTALBALL. Everything else that is a fact must be kept. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 04:15, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Which bit of WP:CRYSTAL is that then? I read "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." in line 1. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 18:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed that too. I'd say that any upcoming events that lack a reliable source should probably be removed? For example: Red Hot Chili Peppers is referenced, but the Katty Perry tour is not. How about that? —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 23:20, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both per nom. Including each and every event is clearly violating WP:INDISCRIMINATE. --Randykitty (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as promotional fluff. This belongs on the venue's web site, not in an encyclopedia. The future event listings can only be promotional, as they certainly cannot yet be notable. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 17:00, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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