Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of events at Friends Arena

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The more notable events are already included at Friends Arena#Events; also not in accordance with WP:LISTN. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 15:42, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of events at Friends Arena[edit]

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This list is clearly against WP:INDISCRIMINATE. We don't need a record of every event held at this place, especially since the more notable events are already listed that the parent article (Friends Arena). The "2014" section is additionally against WP:FUTURE. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 16:53, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:15, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:15, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I personally do not see a reason to delete a worthy list of events in a internationally prominent arena.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:30, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as promotional fluff. This belongs on the venue's web site, not in an encyclopedia. The future event listings can only be promotional, as they certainly cannot yet be notable. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 16:51, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How can the future events become notable if you deemed the already occurred events to be obviously non notable as you want it deleted?. --BabbaQ (talk) 19:30, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On their own, without the promotional assistance of a mention on Wikipedia. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 19:44, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It only becomes promotional if someone thinks it is. All I see is a list of notable events in an arena. How can that be promotional.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How is a run-of-the-mill concert by One Direction "notable"? A Kiss concert? Bruce Springsteen? What was it about these concerts that was notable? --| Uncle Milty | talk | 21:44, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If this is how you interpret "notability", why aren't you screaming at the top of your lungs fighting for the deletion of literally thousands of Wiki articles that document tours stops of different musical acts? Zvonko (talk) 00:08, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - More zealotry from P 1 9 9 who went through the Category:Lists of events by place and arbitrarily selected a few articles from it and nominated them for deletion. None of these articles are in violation of WP:INDISCRIMINATE and they're definitely not in violation of WP:FUTURE. Some are not as well sourced and maintained as the others but that's not a reason to delete them.Zvonko (talk) 21:38, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- @Zvonko: Keep the personal attacks to yourself and stick to deletion arguments. My interpretation of WP:INDISCRIMINATE includes these excessive listings and I am entitled to that opinion. If community consensus is "keep", I'll be more than happy to accept that. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 21:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see any logic, reason, principle or criteria in what you're doing. In addition to invoking Wiki guidelines where they do not apply you've gone through Category:Lists of events by place selected 4-5 entries while leaving the other 10 or so. Why? What's your own criteria in this selection process when you decided to nominate some while leaving others.Zvonko (talk) 22:07, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Zvonko: WP:NOT does not specifically mention "list of events", but IMO, it is still contrary the ideas/principles there ("Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information; merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia"). Because this is my interpretation, I am nominating these articles for (deletion) discussion. Why only nominating a selection of them? OK, fair question. To set a precedent for the other ones. Besides not all lists are as all-inclusive as this one, for instance, Events at Madison Square Garden is limited to notable events only. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 23:27, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Once you manage to get one of the articles you nominated deleted (which is looking like a distinct possibility now), and once you then use that precedent deletion to wipe out the rest of Category:Lists of events by place, I hope you'll remain consistent & principled and go after the thousands of Wiki articles that list different musical acts' tours with the same "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information; merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia" scrutiny. Zvonko (talk) 04:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, the notable events can be covered in the article about Friends Arena. Mentoz86 (talk) 02:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And what criteria do you plan on applying to determine which events are notable enough to be included in the list?Zvonko (talk) 04:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User Mentoz86, respectfully I have to ask you, you are !voting delete but says that notable events can be covered in the main article but if you are !voting delete you say that all events is non-notable. And if some events are notable then the list is notable and of use for its readers. --BabbaQ (talk) 13:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is exactly the type of non-encyclopaedic list that the guidelines were drafted to avoid. Having some notable events or names in a list does not make the list notable, contrary to BabbaQ's opinion. Having chunks of non-notable events serves neither the informational, the navigational nor the developmental purposes of lists. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Purposes of lists --Bejnar (talk) 23:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a centralized discussion at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#List of events by place. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 02:18, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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