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The result was redirect to Ethnicities in Iran#Turkic-speaking peoples. Sandstein 13:47, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of ethnic groups known as "Iranian Turks"[edit]

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This is an unsourced list and sounds like WP:OR; both its title and lead/intro. How we know all of those mentioned Turkic ethnic groups call and identify themselves as "Turk"? And no source for that term "Iranian Turks" too. Plus we already have Category:Turkic peoples of Asia. So creating a sub-category named "Turkic peoples of Iran" would be helpful if it's really necessary. Another option is rename/move; e.g. moving it to "List of Turkic ethnic groups in Iran". But the current content of article is just another example of turning category stuff into a pointless list/table. Wario-Man (talk) 03:46, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 04:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 04:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 04:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 04:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 04:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but rename. I've added one citation, doi:10.1017/S0020743800052284. There are things for an encyclopaedia to say about the various Iranian Turkic groups, so I think an article is appropriate, not just a category. What form that article would best take is a harder question: I concur that the current article title doesn't really work. Bondegezou (talk) 08:54, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you just added two references [1] without adding any new content to article or expanding it. A list should be notable and offers some additional info but currently this article is just a table version of a category plus its misleading and wrong title and lead. --Wario-Man (talk) 14:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The lead complaint motivating this AfD was that this was "an unsourced list". It now has two sources. I was just trying to address the concerns that were given!
The article does offer additional info in that in gives a language and religion for each group (some of which is now sourced). It's not "just a table version of a category". I believe there is material to expand it further.
AfD is not clean-up: if the title and lead need changing, then change them. Bondegezou (talk) 15:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please... Do you really think "It now has two sources" is a valid argument when you have just dropped two sources there without improving the content of article? Both sources are not free to access and require permission/purchase. And you expect other editors do the rest of your incomplete job? That's not the proper way to convince a nominator to change their opinion. I ignore the rest of your comment because I'm not a new user who uses AfD for the first time, and that part of your comment is irrelevant. As I said, this list is just a category with a table. And there is a good home for it: Ethnicities_in_Iran#Turkic-speaking_peoples --Wario-Man (talk) 19:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Adding citations to support material in an article is a way of improving it, yes. I am unclear what so upsets you about this. There is absolutely no requirement in Wikipedia for sources to be free to access: see WP:RSC. Wikipedia is always about collaborative, incremental improvements, so I don't feel comments about "expect other editors do the rest of your incomplete job" to be helpful or in keeping with WP:AGF. Bondegezou (talk) 08:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I feel there is sufficient material to support a standalone article (with a new name). However, if the AfD concludes otherwise, I would support a merge to that section. Bondegezou (talk) 08:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Bondegezou: IMHO, the problem is not only sufficient material or not, the problem is that this list sounds irrelevant given that we already have Ethnicities_in_Iran#Turkic-speaking_peoples. Best regards.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:29, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We have Ethnicities in Iran and it has the related section Ethnicities_in_Iran#Turkic-speaking_peoples. Any ethnic-related stuff should redirect to that article and the proper section. --Wario-Man (talk) 04:19, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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