Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of eponymous streets in Hudson County

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Secret ^account 17:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of eponymous streets in Hudson County[edit]

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This is Listcruft. The contents of this list are not notable, and the links contained in it are not even helpful as a navigation tool. For instance, I don't think anyone is going to use this list as a navigational aid to find the article on Frank Sinatra or George Washington. There are very few other lists of eponymous streets on WP, and the ones that do exist are for only the most major cities on the planet (London and New York were the only ones I could find), not for a random county in New Jersey. Not only that, but the New York and London lists actually link to the articles about the individual streets, as opposed to this article which links only to the articles about the people after which the streets were named. SnottyWong talk 22:52, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:37, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Indiscriminate list about a non-notable subject. Why is a list of eponymous streets in Hudson County relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of Hudson County, streets, or eponyms? Them From Space 02:33, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - a non-notable list of non-notable streets. Under WP:50k, a city or community has on average one notable street per 50,000 inhabitants. Bearian (talk) 02:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. unsalvageable in principle, and i did think about it before saying this. might as well create "list of things named after other things in new jersey". this article verges on monty python territory, sorry to say (society for putting things on top of other things).Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment there is a keep rationale from the article's creator on this AfD's talk page. Them From Space 05:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The list is obviously discriminate, as only streets named for people within a single county in the US are eligible for inclusion. Since most of those streets would not qualify for articles of their own (or at most 14 would by the 50K rule) a list is entirely appropriate for containing this information. Finally, naming or renaming a street in honor of an individual is something that is bound to generate coverage. Such political machinations rarely occur without commentary from the press. These topics should clearly pass WP:V and be appropriate under WP:5P as part of our mandate to include topics appropriate to subject-specific encyclopedias, gazetteers, and almanacs. The fact that more of these articles have not yet been written is not an argument for deletion. Article obviously needs cleanup and sourcing, but that should have been worked on by the nominator WP:BEFORE coming here. Jim Miller ^{See me | Touch me} 12:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There are 3,141 counties in the United States alone. Would you be ok with 3,141 articles about the eponymous streets in that county? List of eponymous streets in Stark County, North Dakota and List of eponymous streets in Clay County, Arkansas and List of eponymous streets in Fisher County, Texas and on and on and on. Because that's the message you're sending by !voting to keep this article. And let's not stop at U.S. counties, after all, Wikipedia is global. Let's add List of eponymous streets in Eketahuna County, New Zealand and List of eponymous streets in the 11th arrondissement of Paris, France. We could probably double the number of articles in Wikipedia if we started a WikiProject Eponymous Streets. We could just overlook the fact that about 0.001% of the eponymous streets in the world would actually be notable enough for their own article. After all, enormous lists of non-notable information are exactly what WP is all about. SnottyWong talk 18:04, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with all of those articles. As I stated in my rationale for this article, the naming of a street in honor of a person is a public act by a government that is bound to result in coverage, would be done by legislative action, and would certainly only be done for a notable individual. Since notability has nothing to do with fame, importance, or popularity, I think you have vastly underestimated the number of streets named for notable people, since they have obviously been singled out for this kind of honor through some sort of process that brings these people to the attention of the public to begin with. If the people for whom the streets are named are notable, then a list of these notable street namings is completely appropriate for inclusion. I don't believe that all of the streets are notable enough for articles here, there should be enough information to create a suitable list. Jim Miller ^{See me | Touch me} 14:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. No evidence of notability at all. And ridiculous list. NBeale (talk) 23:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep When someone has a street named after them, there is a reason, and it in the local newspapers of the time. So it got coverage, and the person is clearly notable. This isn't just some small hick town in the middle of nowhere, population 34, where the locals couldn't think up names for their streets, so farmer Brown said to name one after him, since he was the only one who lived on that road, and the others agreed. No. The naming of streets in a major city, are done for notable people only. And whether something else exist or not, is not a valid reason to delete an article. Nor is the concern that thousands of other articles might come into an existence now. If someone wants to make an article for the location of every single street in the United States named after Martin Luther King Jr, so be it. Dream Focus 17:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:IINFO and WP:NOTDIR to see why that proposal is unencyclopedic and goes against policy. Them From Space 23:40, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dream Focus, no problem. If someone wants to create an article about a notable street, I don't have a problem with that. That's not what this AfD is about. This AfD is about a list of non-notable, indiscriminate information. The vast majority of streets in this list are not notable enough for their own article. This is nearly equivalent to an article about List of streets that start with the letter T in Hudson County.SnottyWong talk 13:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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