Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of drum majors, commanders and directors of the Highty-Tighties

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The result was delete \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 12:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of drum majors, commanders and directors of the Highty-Tighties[edit]

no assertion of notability or significance, no independent sources Dlabtot (talk) 02:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. --Teancum (talk) 02:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've added relevance information and citations that should address the concerns of the editors above. If more is required, there are tens of thousands of additional Google hits that could provide reference material. The band has performed at presidential inaugurations for more than 90 years, including the inauguration of Obama in January. JKBrooks85 (talk) 04:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, all you've done is add material that speaks to the notability and significance of the Highty-Tighties. However, no one is suggesting that article be deleted. This discussion is about List of drum majors, commanders and directors of the Highty-Tighties. What makes this list notable or significant? Dlabtot (talk) 04:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting information off from a main article has been done in the past. This list can't be merged into the main article for the simple reason that it'd be overwhelmed; there's too much information here. More research and development is needed on this article—it's pretty abysmal—but that's not a justification to delete. JKBrooks85 (talk) 08:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. —Thryduulf (talk) 11:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. —Thryduulf (talk) 11:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - On a Wikipedia scale of WP:N I don't think this passes. Useful to Virginia Tech students/alumni, but not anyone else. Content should be moved somewhere on Virginia Tech's site. Falls under a music version of WP:GAMECRUFT. Delete --Teancum (talk) 16:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Per JKBrooks85's suggestion that notability of lists can be derived from the parent article it was split from. The only relevant discussion/guideline I can find rapidly is Wikipedia:Notability/RFC:compromise/A.4 (which is a discussion more in the context of fiction-list-splits, such as character lists, hence the lack of concensus (imo), but the idea is clear enough). Is there any more solid guideline that can be pointed to for this concept?
Also, I've left a note at Talk:Highty-Tighties. -- Quiddity (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I think the most solid guideline is this language, from the guideline on stand-alone lists: "Each entry on a list should have its own non-redirect article in English Wikipedia, but this is not required if the entry is verifiably a member of the listed group, and it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future." In other words, a list having NO notable entries, like this one, does not belong in Wikipedia. UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The members of the list simply are not independently notable: they don't have stand-alone articles, and there are no reliable sources to verify their notability. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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