Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of borderless countries

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Nothing but ipse dixit assertions from the IP commenters, no showing this is a notable concept or not OR. postdlf (talk) 14:20, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of borderless countries[edit]

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There is not a suffient distinction with List of island countries to justify a separate article. There are some differences, but these can be easily explained. Bazonka (talk) 16:25, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Everymorning talk 16:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The distinctions were never explained throughout the years when the two lists were fused. Being borderless is itself a notable criteria for countries. 116.48.87.173 18:43, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then we explain better. Bazonka (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This seems to be an original conception of borderless and so this fails WP:LISTN. When you look at sources, they don't use the phrase borderless to refer to islands but instead to countries with no formal border controls such as the Schengen Area. Andrew D. (talk) 08:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

An alternative name would be List of countries with no land border. Such a list is necessary since these countries got quite different security and sociocultural settings. 116.48.87.245 16:22, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per 116.48.87.173. As notable as island nations, if not more so. 203.210.6.36 (talk) 19:48, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, postdlf (talk) 22:27, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Agree with Andrew D., as most sources I see using "borderless countries" are in context of the European Union/Schengen Area. On the other hand if 116. manages to find a good compromise in moving or restructuring the list with RS significance, I have no objection to doing that. 野狼院ひさし u/t/c 02:37, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. They are notable. 104.236.210.161 (talk) 09:00, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete per WP:OR. Do not redirect into the list of island countries. Reasons:

This list falsely claims that these countries do not have borders. They do, otherwise would control the world several times over. See maritime boundary for details. These countries only lack land borders. As such it is a misleading list.
The list is nearly identical to list of island countries and the few exceptions are well covered (!) in that list in the column "geographic configurations".
I studied geography and did not just cover it in grade school. While specialized in political geography, I never ran into the strange concept of borderless countries. Therefore I checked Google Books and "borderless countries" is always used in a different context and still not as a clear concept. In other words, this list is a clear cut case of WP:Original Research.

In conclusion, there is no justification for keeping this redundant and misleading OR list, not even as a redirect (which of course would be a lesser evil). gidonb (talk) 15:15, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Thank you, Bazonka, for nominating this article. Wikipedia is in dire need of raising its quality from a geography perspective! gidonb (talk) 16:23, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
delete I had been hodling off on this one but my thoughts are along those just above. It's one person's idiosyncratic notion. Mangoe (talk) 17:31, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep and rename as suggested above. Countries with no land border patrol their borders very differently and got quite different sociopolitical settings. 218.102.4.22 (talk) 12:47, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and if not reverse merge. Apparently notable. 210.0.147.129 (talk) 12:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - what's notable is that all of the Keep !votes are from IPs, and all bar one of these are based in Hong Kong. Just saying! Bazonka (talk) 15:50, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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