Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of awards and nominations received by Girlfriends Films

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 18:56, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of awards and nominations received by Girlfriends Films[edit]

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Does not meet WP:LISTN and excessive intricate detail cited to primary sources. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:17, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Clearly fails WP:NLIST, and all of the titles doesn’t even exist as a Wikipedia article. Sheldybett (talk) 12:06, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. But many of the awards listed her are WP-notable awards with their on WP articles? I don't see how deleting a list article about a WP-notable film studio (it has its own WP-article), which has many WP-notable awards, meets any form of WP:PAG? In that case, there are thousands of WP film awards lists that can be AfD'ed. Britishfinance (talk) 11:10, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:12, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:12, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:12, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 12:42, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I don't understand the issue here. The studio Girlfriends Films has its own WP page. We have (tens of) thousands of WP articles on people, films, studios etc. with seperate WP articles listing their film awards. Most of the awards Girlfriends Films have won also have their own individual WP articles; AVN, XBIZ and XRCO Award? Britishfinance (talk) 13:22, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a typical feature in WP:NCORP articles, and is generally tied to either WP:LISTCRUFT and / or promotionalism. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But this is a film-studio and not just an NCORP. We have lots of WP seperate list articles for film awards. Many of these awards have their own WP articles? I don't see the clear WP:PAG that is been broken here; in fact, per my comments below, deleting this would violate WP:PAG? Britishfinance (talk) 11:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Girlfriends Films, which is barely more than a stub. Possibly trim the least notable awards out of the list in the process. bd2412 T 12:04, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 18:00, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nom's comment: these PR-driven awards will be undue in the main article, so I would oppose a merge. --K.e.coffman (talk) 22:51, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. So because the list includes some -WP notable awards, amongst the many WP-notable awards, you would deleted the whole article? AfD is not clean up, and such issues should be discussed on the Talk Page. That is flawed logic and certainly not consistent with any WP:PAG that I am aware of. Britishfinance (talk) 11:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I cannot see this as being a full delete as there are a lot of WP-notable awards being listed here (which are also part of WP:PORNBIO): AVN Award, XBIZ and XRCO Awards. A full delete therefore makes no sense. I could see the rationale for a Merge per bd2412 (although somebody then needs to do it, and this list is very long, so it would distort the main Girlfriends Films article), but certainly not a Redirect, as it would hide lots of WP-notable material?

I still don't see how this fails WP:LISTN (and no "delete" above has explained it). Per WP:LISTN, this list is a "complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y")", which are acceptable under LISTN as Girlfriends Films (i.e. "X") is WP-notable, and so are many of the awards AVN Award (i.e. "Y"). If there are non WP-notable awards then it can be discussed on the Talk Page but it is not an AfD concern (e.g. AfD is not clean up); however I can point to thousands of WP List articles where not all the items in the list have WP articles. Britishfinance (talk) 11:07, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Just to clarify, of the five classes of awards that Girlfriends Films have been nominated/won in their LIST only one is possibly, a non-notable award class:

AEBN Award have a section in a WP article

AVN Award have their own WP article

XBIZ Award have their own WP article

XRCO Award have their own WP article

NightMoves Award have their own WP article

Either the WP-community should come out clearly and state that it does not want PORN-related articles, OR, the WP-community needs to clarify that despite the !votes, WP PORN-related articles that meet WP:PAG must not be deleted. Otherwise, we (and I), are wasting our time quoting WP:PAG at AfD on porn-related articles? Britishfinance (talk) 12:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.