Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge necessary material to List of Xbox Live Arcade games. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date[edit]

Redundant with List of Xbox Live Arcade games, which is sortable by date. Redirection not necessary as this article is not likely to be found directly. An argument advanced elsewhere I will counter here is that this article includes other things than the main list. This is a surmountable problem: add them to the main sortable list. That is better for both clarity (confusion over two similar lists), usability (sortable), and in the interests informative value, as the sortable list includes more information. User:Krator (t c) 09:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC) User:Krator (t c) 09:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Chronology of Xbox Live Marketplace Releases. The article contains useful information that does not belong in the List of Xbox Live Arcade games (i.e. Xbox Originals, downloadable content, various milestones and special events such as free offers - it would bloat the proposed merge target needlessly). xenocidic (talk) 13:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to notify observers that the above argument is the exact same argument as the argument I attempted to refute in my nomination ("An argument advanced ..."). User:Krator (t c) 16:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed, but these items simply do not belong in the merge target. xenocidic (talk) 16:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Information like additional downloadable content should be kept in the main article for the game it applies to, and there is already a List of Xbox Originals. Other content like milestones and special promotions can be added to the lead as prose. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 23:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Rename. It's a great resource. JAF1970 (talk) 14:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted, JAF created the article, so it's pretty obvious he wont agree to deletion, merge or a redirect. It being a great resource doesn't instantly make the article notable. RobJ1981 (talk) 20:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, ye old logical fallacy ad hominem. This article contains more salient info than the other page, which is confusing, uninformative, etc. Oh, and I created the original pages that some people want to merge it with, so that argument falls flat. JAF1970 (talk) 23:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless, the amount of overlapping content makes the existence of both lists redundant. The extra information could easily be presented in prose in the lead of List of Xbox Live Arcade games. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 23:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Merge: Given the amount of overlap with List of Xbox Live Arcade games, I believe that merging the additional content this list provides into the Live Arcade list would be the best compromise. Though this may be a great resource for readers interested in the information, we must keep the general reader in mind when creating/managing content. A few other points. Per WP:NOT#DIR, Wikipedia is not the place for such specialized lists of information. And per WP:SIZE, limits on article size and length apply somewhat less to lists, so bloating the list is not that big of an issue. Even still, I'm sure the information can be merged in way that won't excessively bloat the size the list. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]
Merge. It's very redundant to List of Xbox Live Arcade games. The small portion that isn't redundant can easily be merged into the article without being a size issue. RobJ1981 (talk) 20:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge All this infomation can/should be covered at List of Xbox Live Arcade games. TJ Spyke 04:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The extra information here (downloadable content) wouldn't integrate well in the other table, and the extra columns in the other page would just pollute this list. Also this list has releases visually grouped by day, which is nice. I find this list very useful and visually appealing. I don't like or care for the other table, but I have no desire to delete or change it. Live and let live. 70.83.101.179 (talk) 07:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- We're not really talking about adding extra columns, just integrating the information into the prose of the lead paragraph. And technically details like additional downloadable content should be kept in the main article for the game it applies to. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]
Merge Consists of mostly redundant material; the little that isn't redundant would easily fit in List of Xbox Live Arcade games. Comandante Talk 00:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: The list has the exact same information found at List of Xbox Live Arcade games, and as such, List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date should be merged into List of Xbox Live Arcade games. No re-direct should be necessary, per nominator. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 06:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per above. --MrStalker ^(talk) 08:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All this argument for merging doesn't seem to include the fact that this page notes all the downloadable content for the games, the weeks without a release (and sometimes just content). ie. the re-release of Undertow for free. JAF1970 (talk) 23:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and perhaps it should be pointed out that Microsoft is rolling out their XNA creator's club. So the renamed chronology could include this as well. all this (game content, Xbox Originals, XNA games, game-less wednesdays) being lumped into the "List of Xbox Live Arcade games" would not only be suboptimal, but it would make no sense. xenocidic (talk) 18:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have to be careful about using "Xbox Live Marketplace releases". This might be too broad a scope for what is in this list, since the marketplace includes retail games content, videos, movies, themes, gamerpics, etc. Perhaps Xbox Originals could be out of the scope of this list if we keep it as "Xbox Live Arcade releases". I'm not sure about XNA Creators Club, will these turn out to be XBLA games in-the-making?

Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with having some redundant information presented in a different format. Look at Template:Lists of US Presidents and Vice Presidents! I'm sure some people find this list useful, not the least of which are the people who put in the time and effort to maintain it. If one doesn't care for this list, why care about getting it removed? If you don't like what you see, just change the channel... 70.83.101.179 (talk) 09:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to your first paragraph: I agree that we should not included themes, gamerpics, movies, etc. But I couldn't think of a name that would encompass XBLA, XBO, XNA, and content, but exclude the trivial stuff. I do think that we could/should work retail game content in as there's no list for that. XNA games are "sortof" XBLA games in the making, from the looks if it they may or may not be monetized and they will probably include achievements. As for your 2nd paragraph, well-said.

On a wholly unrelated note, since this was listed incorrectly (per DumbBOT's comment below), the AFD should run for the minimum period of time starting 25 Feb 2008 13:07 UTC. xenocidic (talk) 13:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding all retail game content, just because there is not a list for downlable content does not mean that such a list should be created or exist. Such minute details as downloadable game content really belongs in a game's main article. And even then it should not go into excessive details. Regardless, the amount of overlapping content makes the existence of both lists redundant.
On a side note, I would honestly suggest creating a copy of the wiki code in a text file before the outcome is decided, regardless of what that may be. It looks like a lot of time and effort was put into it and I'd hate to see all that go to waste. Wikipedia may not be the best place for such content, but perhaps a gaming wiki would be. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. xenocidic (talk) 14:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.