Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Windows Phone 8 devices

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Dennis - 2¢ 20:32, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of Windows Phone 8 devices[edit]

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Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of Android devices, "Article is an indiscriminate collection of items that can't ever aim for completeness", Wikipedia is not a product comparison service. Categories are a preferred method of organization in this manner. ViperSnake151 Talk 04:43, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. What about List of iOS devices? i agree that with Android and Windows, it's more difficult to track down all devices from all OEMs. With Windows Phone 7, however, the dust is already settled. The amount of devices released was limited and heavily controlled, so that list can stay. As for Windows Phone 8, the initial release (8.0) worked much in the same way, with tight device control. What concerns me is that from 8.1 onward, pretty much any device (including former Android devices) can be adapted for Windows Phone. In such a case, non-notable devices should be excluded from the list. i'd certainly keep a Windows Phone 7 list alive, and maybe 8.0 if distinction from 8.1 is required, but i wouldn't remove the lists altogether. --True Tech Talk Time (talk) 15:00, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:21, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:22, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:22, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but restrict to items with an explicit Wikipedia article. Per WP:NOTDIR, Wikipedia is free to index its own contents but it is not a directory of everything that exists. Items with a red link or no working internal like are erased. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 23:53, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If making such restriction, I suggest replacing the article with a category. That way it will (1) be updated more automatically and (2) be clear that it's only for Wikipedia pages, not for listing everything.

Comment I started List of Windows Phone 7 devices because editors were repeatedly making the mistake of adding these to the List of Windows Mobile devices article (and I had to keep reverting these edits, pointing out that Windows Mobile is not the same as Windows Phone). I made the List of Windows Mobile devices article for people who need to acquire an old Windows Mobile device to run software that is still not available for the newer Windows Phone platform, so I didn't want the confusion of having Windows Phone 7 devices listed in the same article (I had already seen one individual mistakenly purchase a Windows Phone 7 device when she wanted to run a particular Windows Mobile application and incorrectly thought Windows Phone was "the same thing"). If however Wikipedia is not an appropriate place for such data, then feel free to delete the original List of Windows Mobile devices as well as the spin-off lists, as I'm happy to place this data on my personal home page instead, where the search engines will hopefully still find it. (I already have an opinionated variant List of vaguely usable Windows Mobile phones.) Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 16:21, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTCATALOG seems like the relevant piece of policy. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Windows 8 and RT tablets for a similar discussion. If we delete I'd be happy to put this data on my home page instead. With this edit, I'm adding List of Windows Mobile devices to the above list of lists under discussion here. Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 16:43, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The list of Windows Phone 8.1 devices is an important part of the larger group of WP articles. It provides information that is more than just a list, but gives readers a comprehensive overview of each device running a specific version of Windows Phone. The number of devices running WP is still small enough that the list doesn't go on forever, like it would for Android. Also, this list is already complete as of the moment. There aren't any devices missing. If new devices are announced, they are usually added within a few days. Using your logic, we shouldn't have pages listing presidential candidates or polling results because those lists may "never be complete". EndlessCoffee54 (talk) 22:16, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@EndlessCoffee54: Hi. "Oppose" is ambiguous. It might be taken as "oppose deletion", and the article might get merged. Please stick to the standard practice of recommending a verdict. (e.g. "Keep", "delete", "redirect" or "merge") You can find good advices in WP:AFD. Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 06:34, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. EndlessCoffee54 (talk) 03:59, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As per True Tech Talk Time it seems reasonable to keep these articles if the List of iOS devices is to stay (I'd be concerned by the possibility of an edit war should the deletion occur). Unless you want to nominate EVERY article that exists on Wikipedia regarding "List of (Insert name of Operating System) Devices" - and there is one on Wikipedia for pretty much every mobile OS that has existed bar the deleted one for Android - then I can't see a reason to delete the lists. And while I can't answer for the List of Windows Mobile devices page, I'd add that the assertion that the article "can't ever aim for completeness" is wrong in the case of Windows Phone lists. Both the List of Windows Phone 7 devices and List of Windows Phone 8 devices are complete. As for the List of Windows Phone 8.1 devices article, I've been keeping track of additions to it, to the best of my knowledge every announced device that is intended to be shipped as a consumer device is listed (i.e. developer only/prototype devices have not been included or have been removed). Ian Devlin (talk) 22:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So why was the Android one singled out, then? ViperSnake151 Talk 00:59, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... Very good question. Why indeed? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 09:51, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I agree that it reasonable to keep a list of devices (along the lines of iOS lists mentioned above), the fact that it may never be complete is hardly an issue to me because the encyclopedia will never be complete. Further, red links are how the encyclopedia grows as they show where new content can be created and where we have holes. Removing items without an article prevents growth as it acts as a subject/topic does not exist where it may be notable but just not yet created. Best, Mifter (talk) 03:28, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Similar articles for other OSes are kept. MameTozhio (talk) 16:41, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.