Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Vogue Portugal cover models

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The result was delete. Lourdes 08:28, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of Vogue Portugal cover models[edit]

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Proposing deletion of this article and am prepared to propose deletion of other Vogue cover model articles like it that don’t actually have corresponding Wikipedia articles. Evidently, original research is at work here. I’m not going to insert my opinion that “some” Vogues are more prestigious than others but why should a Vogue without an article have this encyclopedic detail of its cover models? Trillfendi (talk) 18:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No comment on your other arguments, but how could identifying who is on the cover and who the photographer was possibly involve OR? postdlf (talk) 00:36, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Postdlf: Clearly this article is tagged tagged as unreferenced, so as far as I’m concerned this specific red link editor User:Arijansumanti whose sole priority is editing most of the “cover model” pages, in addition to the random IPs, are doing some sort of original research for these covers / models and their nationalities. You would think as much effort as they put into these tables they’d take 2 seconds to reference the sites they got it from. The original research policy is no reliable sources, no article.Trillfendi (talk) 01:45, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Any published work is a reliable source for its own content, so again I don't see how this could be original research, unless the magazine somehow fails to credit the people who worked on it. You're also confusing lack of secondary sources (or lack of formatted citations or footnotes) with lack of sources, given that we have specific issues of this magazine identified in every instance and so know exactly where to seek to verify information on each cover. postdlf (talk) 03:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps. Of course each issue has a photographer, the models don’t trip and land on a cover. But I was always told analyzing and extracting info from photos without sources is original research.Trillfendi (talk) 14:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Again, unless the magazine somehow failed to expressly credit the cover photographer and model, no one is just eyeballing the photo itself to figure those things out. postdlf (talk) 16:36, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:55, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The cover of Time is notable, Vogue not so much, Vogue Portugal less than that. Nobody writes about the people on that last one. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:42, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, being on the cover of Vogue (American version at least) is no less notable than Time, just a different demographic than Time. American Vogue is premier fashion magazine of the world. No different than being on the cover of Vanity Fair, GQ, etc. But when it comes to these minor or unknown markets such as Portugal, which we never ever hear about and when it’s completely unsourced it makes no sense to have it here.Trillfendi (talk) 06:39, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, tentatively. I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I would push back against clarityfiend's statement about Vogue covers/cover models not being a notable topic. That said, Vogue Portugal I'm not so sure about, and certainly notability isn't inherited from the parent publication['s covers]. I think it's a reasonable standard that to be considered for a separate list like this, we should at least have an article on the magazine first. We probably wouldn't have a list of accolades for a band without an article on the band or a bibliography of an author without an article about the author, for example... — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 06:03, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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