Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Ricky Gervais Show episodes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep per consensus. Keeper ǀ 76 17:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Ricky Gervais Show episodes[edit]

unreferenced episode list, wikipedia is not a directory Rtphokie (talk) 16:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as WP:NOT isn't grounds for deletion of episode lists, which exist for many notable and not so notable shows (see Category:Lists of television series episodes). The Ricky Gervais Show is perhaps the most notable podcast, and the list contains representative descriptions of the content, just as all episode lists do. The reason it is unreferenced is that it only covers the primary source, and lack of references, when notability is well established, isn't enough to justify deletion. To fix the lack of references a lead can be added using references from the main article (such as what was done with List of The Simpsons episodes). --TM 16:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks like there aren't any references in the main article but I think lack of references still isn't enough justification. I'll look for some references if that's the issue. --TM 17:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment The issue is notability. Lack of references is one problem yes, but there are concerns about the overall notability of this subject.--Rtphokie (talk) 17:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment It's the most downloaded podcast ever according to the Guinness Book of Records. What exactly are your concerns over its notability? --TM 17:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Reply' I have no concerns with the notability of The Ricky Gervais Show, the GBOR reference should be added there. I have a problem with the notability of this article. Perhaps the answer is to merge this article into The Ricky Gervais Show--Rtphokie (talk) 17:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Reply The notability of this article? Wikipedia articles must be notable in and of themselves in order to exist? I guess I don't understand your point. I still vote keep based on the length of the main article (which admittedly needs pruning). While you suggest a merge here, you've also proposed merging the show article into the even longer Ricky Gervais article, which I also don't understand. And as I said, the GBOR reference doesn't need to be added to the main article, since it was already there when you added a second unreferenced template, prodded it and nominated it for AFD. All I did was format it. --TM 17:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article fails to assert notability and is just a listing of episodes in a podcast Yamakiri ^T_C § 07-25-2008 • 17:05:45 17:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Like I said, I'll add a lead which will assert notability. It's in the Guinness Book of World Records as the most downloaded podcast, so notability isn't really an issue. --TM 17:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment that reference establishes notability of The Ricky Gervais Show (which currently has zero references as well, you should add that reference there instead)--Rtphokie (talk) 17:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment Actually that article did have a reference confirming its notability (which I added to the list). It just wasn't properly formatted. And why not add more references to the list in addition to the main article? Half of your justification is that it's unreferenced. So now we have notability established and more references on the way. --TM 17:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WP:NOT#DIR tells us "there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contributed to the list topic" I'm not convinced that the entries on this list meet this criteria. As for other episode lists, see Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. They are subject to the same guidelines.--Rtphokie (talk) 17:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep WP:EPISODE has established that episode-list articles are encouraged in lieu of articles on individual episodes. There's certainly no denying the notability of this series. And yes, it's a podcast, not a TV series, but to be honest some Wikipedia policies need to be updated for the 21st Century. There's gonna be a heck of a lot more of these. And this isn't some guy in his basement with a webcam - this is Ricky Gervais. Notability is established by that alone. Further notability established by the Guardian connection. 23skidoo (talk) 18:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Episode lists of a notable show are perfectly acceptable. Jclemens (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep ample precedence for episode lists of notable shows. Eusebeus (talk) 21:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Nominator appears to be disrupting WP with multiple spurious AfD nominations. --Gene_poole (talk) 05:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Perfectly reasonable subtopic of a highly notable topic, narrowly defined and discriminate. Has WP:PROBLEMS with original research, but these are irrelevant to the suitability of the list for inclusion in Wikipedia; has WP:POTENTIAL to be an excellent list. Skomorokh 10:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.