Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Test cricket series between New Zealand and the West Indies

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 13:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Test cricket series between New Zealand and the West Indies[edit]

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Fails WP:STATS, minimal context provided. Eight other similar articles were deleted last month. Ianblair23 (talk) 02:17, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. Ianblair23 (talk) 02:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Ianblair23 (talk) 02:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. Ianblair23 (talk) 02:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Ianblair23 (talk) 02:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. Ianblair23 (talk) 02:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both as per nominator WP:NOTMIRROR and WP:NOTSTATS Ajf773 (talk) 07:25, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Lugnuts ^{Precious bodily fluids} 10:11, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Ian; and great work by Ian on all these NOTSTATS things. Jack | ^{talk page} 11:15, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I disagree. This and similar lists are useful in showing in one place the results between two Test-playing nations. If WP is to claim to be encyclopedic, then this is the kind of list that could very much answer a reader's question, which is surely what an encyclopedia is about. This isn't "Stats": it's a list of events that have taken place, and involves the "when" and the "where" as well as the "what". Johnlp (talk) 11:45, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It clearly fails WP:NOTSTATS because, quoting from that policy, "Any statistics should be accompanied by explanatory text providing context". I would argue for "should" there to be replaced by "must" and in fact I'm going to propose that. This article provides no context at all apart from a very short intro which simply summarises the statistics. There is no mention at all of any people from either NZ or WI; no mention of relations between the teams; highlights, controversies, etc. If it had a decent amount of narrative that provided context, I would agree that it should be kept. Thanks. Jack | ^{talk page} 12:57, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Response to comment. WP:NOTSTATS is specifically against excessive use of statistics, but also actually states that where stats are appropriate then putting them in tables can help make them more accessible. I'd argue that this is what has been done here, but I'd also argue that this article (and its confreres) is factual information that lends itself to a tabular form, and barely qualifies as "stats" at all. As and when New Zealand next play West Indies, I might well want to know how many times they've played each other in the past and what the score between them is in terms of series. Where else am I meant to go to look apart from my friendly, all-inclusive Wikipedia? I don't mind if you want to add more information to this article about highlights, controversies etc. But these articles have a value. Johnlp (talk) 18:27, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep We are here to grow Wikipedia. If this article lacks context then it should get tagged. Deletion is not the only way. This article matches with article List of Ashes series in terms of stats but lacks context only. GreenCricket (talk) 13:18, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete England/NZ or NZ/WI series are not comparable to The Ashes for example as the coverage about them is limited mainly to players/results, rather than the history. If we keep these, then we'll end up with far too many of these stats articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Sorry to return, but the nominator says that similar articles were deleted last month, but then cites articles that listed individual matches, not series as these do. I think lists of matches are overkill. But lists of series are different. Johnlp (talk) 20:15, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Response to comment. Hi Johnlp, OK yes sorry about that. You are right that what I linked to were lists of matches rather than series. But my argument remains that these fail WP:NOTSTATS. Regards -- Ianblair23 (talk) 05:54, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. MFriedman (talk) 11:34, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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