Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Puerto Rican comedians

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep all. Much of this discussion was about the philosophy and importance of maintaining lists and the need for inclusion criteria for lists. These are editing issues, not deletion issues. That some people have added themselves to these lists in an unscrupulous manner does not mean that the lists themselves are tacitly unacceptable. That they are redundant to the list of Puerto Ricans is a silly argument, as we have many many lists on wikipedia that overlap in varying granularity. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 03:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Puerto Rican comedians[edit]

Note: I am nominating these lists per request by User:Marine 69-71. The original request can be found here.
The "list of Puerto Rican comedians" is not necessary, not managed and occupy Wikipedia space. The "List of Puerto Ricans" has a management team that has set up a requirement criteria and that requires that all additions be cited with reliable verifiable sources as policy. The following lists have also been nominated for deletion for the same reasons:

Tavix (talk) 01:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as I have stated these "lists" are a spin-off the "List of Puerto Ricans" and do not have a clear criteria, nor do the names cite sources as required by policy. These lists are sub-sections of the original "List of Puerto Ricans" which has a management team who has verified the notability of every name on the it before establishing the current strict criteria. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think that having a bunch of redundant dynamic lists helps us much as a project, but shouldn't we delete and use the titles as redirect for specific sections of List of Puerto Ricans? - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, That is a reasonable option. Tony the Marine (talk) 04:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per items 2, 3, and 7 at WP:LC. Stifle (talk) 08:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 10:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 10:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all & discuss how to organize the material -- elsewhere. Sure they have a clear criterion, the usual one, that all of the people listed have Wikipedia articles. (a few don't, and for these either somethings had too be added to indicate they are clearly qualified, or else the individual names removed). That has routinely been accepted as sufficient justification for all such lists. I don't see how it can be simultaneously asserted that: a/the main list has good criteria. b/ this is basically a copy and c/ this does not have good criteria. The list has the potential of adding additional navigational information to provide some context for browsing, such as dates. Tho this has not yet been done, it could be, for most of the information is there on the main list. as for whether we need both, perhaps we would do better to break up the very long main list into section like this. But that is a merge/spit discussion, not a deletion proposal. DGG (talk) 04:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment for DGG First of all, this is a deletion discussion, this is the place to discuss such things. Please stop wanting to discuss things elsewhere when we already have the proposal right here. Second, no one is trying to discuss all three things at once so don't try to sell this off as such. You are correct in saying that the main list has good criteria, it is well referenced with reliable sources, ect. But the other two reasons are reasons to delete, not keep. It is in fact a copy of the main article so it is pointless to have both lists at once. Your statement in which you say the list has potential is correct, but that potential has already been met at the main article if you actually take the time to look there. All in all, none of your reasons add up to be a reason to keep the article, so please help me out in your consensus.

Keep all - per DGG who's gotten it right again. Whether merged or not, the addition of a short descriptive for each entry would really enhance these lists.--Mike Cline (talk) 11:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment for Mike I agree that a short discription would enhance the lists, but at the main List of Puerto Ricans list, there already is a discription for everybody there, including comedians, writers, archetects, and artists. So what we would be doing really would be copying more from the main article thus making even more of a copy, which doesn't make sense. Tavix (talk) 19:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I accept your point, but to a point. Thinking about any list as a stand-alone compliation of related stuff, this list would be improved with additional descriptions. Not descriptions merely copied from the List of Puerto Ricans which has broader criteria, but descriptions that purposely highlighted the Comedic career of these individuals.--Mike Cline (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The absence of any clear criteria for inclusion, along with the management to verify and monitor, makes these lists in the context of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia both misleading and ultimately not useful. In the case of Puerto Rican Architects, many individuals were adding their names and projects without the slightest consideration for notability, relevance and basic Wikipedia ethics. However, the compilation of notable Puerto Ricans in these three categories is important - particularly as a framework for individual biographical entries as well as an understanding of the discipline as a whole. With respect to Architecture, which is the discipline I belong to, I recommend the following criteria as a basis for inclusion: Authors of books and publications on Puerto Rican Architecture; Subjects of books and publications on Puerto Rican Architecture; Recipients of the Henry Klumb Award (Puerto Rico's College of Architects Highest Honor), Puerto Rican Fellows of the American Institute of Architects FAIA - the AIA highest honor for contributions to the profession; and Founders of the Puerto Rican Schools of Architecture. This should give a solid core base with a clear recognized criteria for selection / inclusion. Nechodoma (talk) 13:38, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.