Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of National Football League players with unidentified given names

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Move. Delete and moving it to project space have the same outcome as keeping this out of mainspace, for which we have consensus. I'm moving it to Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/List of National Football League players with unidentified given names, but if project participants or other editors find a different home is better, that can be handled editorially. Star Mississippi 01:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of National Football League players with unidentified given names[edit]

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Fails WP:NLIST. Nobody outside Wikipedia compiles a list of players so obscure their first names aren't known. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete completely insignificant and trivial list. I’d support speedy delete if there are any criteria along the lines of A7 that cover lists, but I don’t think there are. Frank Anchor 00:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's the same exact list for MLB players, which was formerly an FA, which was the reason I created this. If this should go so should the MLB list. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:32, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and American football. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:54, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete as per “oh come on”. Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. And yes the MLB list should go even if featured quality. Dronebogus (talk) 01:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Oh come on" is a rather childish tone for an encyclopedia discussion, don't you think? Not everyone cares about the same things that you care about. That said, your appeal to WP:INDISCRIMINATE is much worse. Nothing at that page pertains to this situation. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Making matters worse, you have also used it as part of the basis for your nomination of the baseball list. Please stop misusing WP:INDISCRIMINATE. It does not mean what you think it means. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 20:51, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the spirit applies here. It’s trivial data/raw facts without meaningful explanation of why it’s relevant. Dronebogus (talk) 07:40, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's true that more explanation would be ideal, but even so the connection is tenuous. The relevant prong of INDISCRIMINATE is Excessive listings of unexplained statistics. That paragraph further explains that the key concerns are readability and reader confusion. This list is perfectly readable, and I doubt if any reader would find it confusing. I see your point, but I still think INDISCRIMINATE isn't a good reason to delete this list. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 15:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The plurality of these played for the Hammond Pros, who "were little more than a semi-professional outfit; most of the players were locals who had full-time jobs and couldn't practice much, and thus were simply no match for most other NFL squads." Why does anyone care enough to compile this? The folks who kept the stats apparently didn't care enough to record full names. No sources treat this as a notable group. Reywas92^Talk 02:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move to project space. With the increasing propensity for old sources to be digitized and made accessible, in time it may become possible to fully identify some of those listed here. However, without the list to work from in some space, those connections will not be made. BD2412 T 16:55, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move to project space per BD2412. That said, record-keeping in the early years of the NFL was not as good as it was for baseball, so I'm not too optimistic here. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 20:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or move to project space. Aside from all the arguments above, the given sources only show that this particular source doesn't have a name on record, not that the name is unknown period. Rusalkii (talk) 22:21, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move to project space as a subpage of Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League. I don't think this is indiscriminate information but remove the page from main space and put it where interested editors might have access to the content. If, then, editors interested in the NFL there truly believe it is worthless, they can go through MFD. That's not kicking the can down the road, it's just changing the participants reviewing the content from our loyal AFD crowd to those editors who care about the NFL and its history. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:19, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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