Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Manchester United Chants

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 09:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Manchester United Chants[edit]

Fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE YOWUZA Talk 2 me! 18:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC) YOWUZA Talk 2 me! 18:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I can't help but think this is a notable subject. I wonder why everything has to have "list of" in the title, but I guess that's personal preference. Is there even a Manchester United Chants article? Wouldn't that be the place? But I think the subject is A-okay. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I add some external links will it be kept

And if I link it to Manchester United pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRatedRKOLegendKiller (talk • contribs) 19:14, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- The subject matter does have some notability (see here). However, a stand alone article may not be warranted. ^LeaveSleaves _talk 20:02, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can't help but think that this is an unnecessary topic. Manchester United fans have sung myriad songs and chants in the history of the club, and the list will only continue to grow, so I'm not even sure the list will ever be complete. – Pee Jay 20:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Incompleteness is not in itself a problem, but the lack of any reliable sources is. --Jameboy (talk) 00:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I added some links. And I'm planning to look for some news sources... ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:17, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article [1] discusses the cotnroversy over chants. I also added links to albums and Manchester United websites regarding songs. I guess I may be confused though about whether chants and songs are the same thing... anyone? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Useful for the glory hunting United fans to check for chants. Good list for the most popular and well known chants, rather than every chant. Manchester United have a larger amount of chants, which is why this article should be kept.

I will add sources and external links at a later date to make sure this articles sustains Wikipedia standards. (User:TheRatedRKOLegendKiller) 02:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This article should be moved to List of Manchester United F.C. chants – Pee Jay 08:34, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the Times and Guardian links could usefully be used to source a more general article on the concept of football chants as a whole (the other links are all to an unreliable fansite and therefore fairly useless in Wiki terms), but we don't need (unsourced) standalone articles on the chants sung by the fans of one specific team. All teams have associated chants, we could easily come up with over 100 such articles just for English teams, but realistically what would be the encyclopedic value of any of them....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Their players may be world famous and their fans may be able to shoehorn their names into existing songs (just like fans of every other club in the country), but that hardly makes this subject notable enough for Wikipedia. I sense a touch of fancruft could creep in here. Bettia (rawr!) 10:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - unneccessary and unverifiable. Giant Snowman 11:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - well sourced, satisfies the usual inclusion criteria. A highly discriminate list, nom is patently false on that. WilyD 13:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd hardly call it "well-sourced". It has two sources which don't mention any of the chants listed and basically say little more than that Manchester United fans chant during a game (as do all fans), along with lots of links to a fansite which blatantly isn't a reliable source -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All football clubs' fans chant. The football chant as such is a notable (and fairly interesting) topic. But a list of any particular club's chants is neither notable nor verifiable from reliable published sources. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I don't even like soccer, and I think this is plenty useful for someone interested in Manchester United's tbeam, fanbase, etc. "All football clubs' fans chant" - once again, I can name about 4 or 5 pro soccer teams, and this is one of them. Not all football teams are Manchester United. Coastalsteve984 (talk) 00:34, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't even understand that comment - are you saying that, because Man U are better known, that their fans' chants become encyclopedic information, whereas those of a lesser-known team aren't.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Short answer: Yea, pretty much. Not as short yet still short answer: Man U is recognized worldwide and is of interest to millions, thus their traditions, and thus chants, are possibly of interest to many of those fans, and those interested in learning about the team. However, the Timbuktu Kickers wouldn't have nearly the following, nor outside interest, thus, their traditions, and thus fan chants, have little merit. Coastalsteve984 (talk) 23:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Jameboy. If needed it can be included in the article, assuming it can be sourced. Vegaswikian (talk) 09:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.