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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. --Titoxd(?!?) 00:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

List of Jewish Members of the French Academy of Sciences[edit]

Strong delete Another addition to the listmania craze. All of the people presented in the first section of this list are accounted for in the list on the main page (under scientists and social scientists), and the second section are just repeats from other lists. Finally, there isn't even a list for Members of the French Academy of Sciences <-----even that would be pointless though. 72.144.114.22 10:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now. —Crypticbot (operator) 12:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unnecessary list Dlyons493 Talk 14:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stong delete. Useless list that falls into the "who really cares?" category. 23skidoo 15:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • strong keep the fact that there is no list of members of the French Academy of Sciences is a fallacious argument because it has no relation to the merit of this specific list. I happen to like this list --Isolani 15:40, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very weak keep — Not a list I find all that interesting, but may be a point of pride to some. I'm pretty close to neutral on this one. — RJH 16:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Useless list - being Jewish is totally irrelevant to membership in the French Academy of Sciences. Also I'm uncomfortable with all the "Jew watching" lists out there. It just rubs me the wrong way. flowersofnight (talk) 16:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I can a point in List of Members of the French Academy of Sciences, but I'm generally uneasy about breaking down lists by ethnicity, gender, religion, sexuality ... Some may feel proud but others may feel threatened. Also I doubt if they are used much! Dlyons493 Talk 17:01, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, listcruft. Has about as much worth as Members of the French Academy of Sciences whose second toe is bigger than their so-called "Big" toe.--Isotope23 17:48, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We had a similar discussion a little while ago about the List of Jewish Members of the Russian Academy of Sciences, which got deleted. --howcheng [ talk &#149; contribs &#149; web ] 17:58, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. -- DS1953 talk 00:41, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. What has the fact they're Jewish got to do with anything? -- Necrothesp 02:15, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Flowersofnight. --Metropolitan90 08:23, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. In last time there were deletions in Lists of Jews of engineers, scientists,women and so on. An attempt has be done to delete List of Fellows of Royal Society and historians. There are plenty of similiar lists in Lists of all other people. Why the Users, that don't like Jews are so active in Lists of Jews? I recommend them to Delete similiar Lists in Lists of their own nationality. Of course, Gentles who want to contribute (not to hinder!) to development of Lists of Jews are welcomed.
  • LazarKr 10:00, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • So, what, you're implying that anyone who votes against this list is anti-semitic are you? I've got news for you - Jewish is not a nationality. These people's ethnic/religious origin is irrelevant to both their nationality and their contribution to life in their country. Implying that there is any similarity between this list and lists of people of a particular nationality is ridiculous. Why should people be singled out for a separate list because of their ethnicity and/or religion? Should we have List of Protestant Members of the French Academy of Sciences too? It's irrelevant. -- Necrothesp 11:07, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think that anyone who votes against lists of engineers, scientists, historians of some nationalty, ethnic group or both don't do that occationally. What would you say, if I and group of Jews from varios countries would try to delete List of engineers or scientists of Scottish people on grounds that they are only one of nationalities in the Great Britain ? Do you think that ethic group is not intiled to do what is permitted to nationality (scottish people) ?
  • LazarKr 17:01, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Scotland is a component country of the United Kingdom. A different case entirely. Most people from Scotland identify themselves as Scots first and foremost. I don't believe this is the case with Jewish people (most Jewish people from Scotland, for instance, probably also identify themselves as Scots first and foremost) and I don't think you have any grounds for believing otherwise. But as a closer analogy, I would certainly vote for deletion of a List of Scottish Fellows of the Royal Society as being a pointless ethnic breakdown of an all-Britain institution. A List of Fellows of the Royal Society, if one existed, would be perfectly sufficient, and this is also the case with any other organisation. -- Necrothesp 19:44, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have differences of opinions.I think that if Scottish people want a List of Scotish Fellows of the Royal Society, it is not of other national/ethnic groups business to dictate them what they have to do. By the way, do you want to initiate deletion of alredy existig Lists of Scotttish engineers and scientists ? If you don't, what is your position to deletion of Lists of engineers scientists and historians in the Lists of Jews ?
  • LazarKr 15:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Wikipedia is not dictated by what individual ethnic groups wish to do. We all have a say here and we can all edit. And you are not representative of a particular group just because you happen to be a member of it - others may have different opinions and it is somewhat arrogant of you to assume that yours should prevail - please cite your support from other editors (you don't seem to have a great deal here). I have already said I do not support deletion lists of Scottish whatever and also given my reasons (it is all but a nationality), as I have given my reasons for my support of deletion of lists by ethnicity/religion, which simply serve to encourage divisiveness. -- Necrothesp 17:33, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


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