Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Irish American actors

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 02:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Irish American actors

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This list lumps together individuals that potentially have no commonalities with one another besides an aspect of their genome. There is no selectivity presented here in choosing who should be considered "Irish American" and who shouldn't - as long as an ancestor is Irish, and this is mentioned, the person is automatically placed on the list --- and any implementation of a "criteria" is often met with immediate rejection by other parties. Three-way intersections of little or no relevant value are generally disallowed. One cannot say that someone of Irish birth of immediate Irish background has the same experience as someone with unknown Irish grandparents.

The following are reasons for "keep" I would expect to show up, so I included analysis of why they should no be taken seriously.

-keep: the list is sourced. why this isn't a good excuse: Yes, it's sourced. But something being sourcable isn't the only necessity to qualify it for inclusion in wikipedia. More importantly, it is sourced without a unifying criteria. As if a List of actors and a list of American actors and a list of Irish Americans and a List of American actors with an Irish-born parent and a List or Irish-born American actors all have the exact same thing in common. Ethnicity is not relevant when there is no unifying connection between the person's ethnic background and their acting career.

-keep: ethnicity is important why this isn't a good excuse: No one is saying it isn't important. This could be a valid argument if the list up for deletion was List of Irish Americans. However, this list does not provide any substance as to what type of relevancy there is between being an American actor and having some Irish background.

-keep: we have list of Italian actors why this isn't a good excuse: Doesn't matter. The same rationale can be applied to that list, and if this one goes, those will too.

A summary of the reasoning behind this AFD can be found in the following essay: WP:IIFL. Bulldog 23:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

• Seems to be a sub-list split off from Lists of Irish Americans. Juzhong (talk) 00:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep- It's sourceable, and can be reasonably finite. Umbralcorax (talk) 01:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
• Strong keep, biggest reason, the AfD nomintor protests (writes) too much. Also keep, because the list is sourced, ethnicity is important, and we have a list of Italian actors. The nominator just wrote my rebutal for me. :) There seems to be no policy reasons listed in the nomination to delete this article, except for the plentiful reasons the nominator gives to keep. travb (talk) 01:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
• keep I created this list by pulling it out of List of Irish Americans which was getting too large and thereby difficult to edit. Since the nominator says the List of Irish Americans is just fine, then this list should be just fine also. If not, it will just be copied back into the parent list, helping editors be damned. Arguments advanced for deletion are invalid and have nothing to do with the criteria for creating/keeping lists. Hmains (talk) 01:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

• Keep, I regularly use lists like this one for reference purposes, and find them very useful. I find the criterion for deletion unconvincing. Correlation doesn't imply cause, but I really don't think anyone is saying their ethnicity causes their acting, or whatever it is that so offends the Nom here. NZ forever (talk) 02:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Useful list, can be sourced reliably and verified. – Alex43223 ^{T | C | E} 03:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Although I am not fond of lists. This sounds more like a content dispute problem and not a deletion issue. --Bejnar (talk) 13:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.