Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of German language films (2nd nomination)

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The result was no consensus. Jayjg ^(talk) 13:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of German language films[edit]

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Like List of French language films, I don't see the point of this article when Category:German-language films already exists. Additionally, the list isn't even close to comprehensive judging by the number of articles in the aforementioned category. sdornan (talk) 16:11, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per WP:CLN Lists and categories go hand-in-hand. This list has a clear-defined inclusion criteria for a notable topic. Lugnuts (talk) 17:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per Lugnuts and per WP:CLN. Categories and lists are not mutually exclusive. It's not the best list out there, but it just needs a bit of attention. With some effort it could include dates, directors and other details. Comprehensiveness isn't required of list articles for them to exist.--Beloved Freak 19:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. The inclusion criteria for this list are totally unrealistic. The list would be far too long even with just the current members of the corresponding category, let alone all notable German-language films. To get an idea of how much that would be, look at de:Kategorie:Deutscher Film, which is only about German films (excluding Swiss and Austrian films) and has a 670-member subcategory for East German films. I don't see how this list can be transformed into something encyclopedic and useful, but perhaps someone has a good idea. Hans Adler 21:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:CLN. Categories and lists are not mutually exclusive. This list has a clearly defined inclusion criteria for a notable topic. As for "comprehensiveness"... what can be adressed through contributions of editors and regular editing does not require deletion. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:28, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mike Cline (talk) 01:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete too broad! every german film in history would be listed. its has pointless as list of English language films. I am not a fan of lists that are infinitely long Weaponbb7 (talk) 01:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Category is better in this case. An accurate list would be way too long.Borock (talk) 03:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Of course we can have such a list, inclusion criteria are entirely logical and well defined. But... we already have this list: List of German films, and all the related lists. many nations have lists with this structure. This list is inferior, and i doubt any content needs to be merged.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not all German films are German-langauge films. Lugnuts (talk) 05:51, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Looking at the article, it's obvious that the "too broad" argument considers what could happen as opposed to what the article actually is. If the list becomes super-lengthy, editors can deal with it then. It's nowhere near unmanageable today, and WP:CLN is a solid keep rationale. Townlake (talk) 15:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Very good argument, Townlake. Of course there are only about 50 German language films in the world. (Hint: Language on German TV is German.)Nageh (talk) 09:06, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This could be reworked into a list of lists. Most examples would be redundant to List of German films and Lists of Austrian films (maybe Swiss too), which are well organized into sublists by period, and it would be silly to recapitulate their contents in this list. So a better practice would be to link to those lists, and then have lists by country of German-language films from non-German speaking countries. postdlf (talk) 15:51, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but convert to the superior table format of the French list (which also gives the director), also nominated recently by the same nom and kept. If the list becomes unmanageable, it can be broken into sub-lists, eg by decade. Occuli (talk) 21:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:18, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I don't see the point of this list. It would duplicate most of the content of List of German films. Nageh (talk) 09:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- My comment above already addressed that. postdlf (talk) 14:56, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - So you think there would be notable German language films from non-German speaking countries to warrant such a list? Nageh (talk) 16:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Schindler's List immediately comes to mind. postdlf (talk) 16:19, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Wikipedia's entry on Schindler's List tells me the film is multi-language (German, Polish, English). Does that make it a German-language film? At which point does a film became qualified as a German language film? Nageh (talk) 16:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        Category:German-language films uses "wholly or partially spoken" as inclusion criteria. I don't see any reason why a list would need to be reserved only for films that are exclusively German language. postdlf (talk) 00:31, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        I am surprised by your enthusiasm for this list. While I find the definition of a German language film as one that contains partially spoken German is more than weird, if this is the desired criteria then the only way this list could make sense IMHO is how you suggested, i.e., link to List of German/Austrian/Swiss films, and then include the rest. However, then we'll face a new problem: someone might argue that those lists might contain films (and certainly will for Swiss) that are not German language. And finally: why not create a List of English language films as well? I remain unconvinced. Nageh (talk) 08:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Finally, someone has to maintain these lists. This does not even happen for List of German films, as I have just added two notable films (and many remain to be added). Nageh (talk) 08:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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