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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Participants determined that having a single list of all lip syncs across all seasons and all versions of Drag Race amounts to fancruft and an indiscriminate collection of information. ✗plicit 14:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Drag Race lip syncs[edit]

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This has been moved from draft space despite opposition at the talk page here at Talk:List of Drag Race lip syncs#Move to draft space and at Talk:Drag Race discography#Fork out lip syncs? by myself and JuanGLP. This is WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:FANCRUFT. All the information is contained the individual season pages, this topic is not notable in its own right for an encyclopedic article and belongs on a fansite. --woodensuperman 14:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your reasoning. Wikipedia has many lists with info presented on other pages, such as List of Drag Race contestants, lists of episodes, etc. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFF. Personally I think List of Drag Race contestants is also possibly a fancrufty fork from the season articles and could also be considered for deletion. --woodensuperman 14:27, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then why does Wikipedia have any lists of episodes, contestants/participants, awards, etc. All of these pages have information presented elsewhere on the site but are helpful because they group details scattered across many articles. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't remotely helpful or encyclopedic, it's just a long list of performances on one segment of a TV show. Would listing every performance on every episode of Top of the Pops be suitable for an encyclopedia? Or every single guest artist to appear on Late Show with David Letterman? It's WP:LISTCRUFT. --woodensuperman 14:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if there were sources covering Letterman's best guests, how they were chosen, etc, then perhaps. You're minimizing the importance/role of lip syncs and how much coverage they have received. Doesn't matter, we can go back and forth all day, time for others to weigh in. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:38, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well having a list of lip-syncs does seem "unnecessary" and feels like a WikiFandom article, and the list is not even close to complete.
The list of contestants present the contestants of the franchise, and some milestones like Jujubee competing four times or Jimbo/The Viv competing in All Stars US. The discography still exist since some singles states their charts and present soundtrack albums. The list of episodes are okay because basically every series in Wikipedia have a list of episodes (if they got more than two to three seasons.)
For the list of lip-syncs, it would be confusing since each adaption will have a huge chunks of lip-syncs, and some lip-syncs have 2 to 4 people lip-syncing for their lives, the crown, or their legacy.
— JuanGLP (talk/contribs) 14:42, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, and this list could similarly note which artists have been featured the most, which contestants have performed the most, etc. I think nice summaries for each series would be great. Yes, the list is incomplete but that has nothing to do with notability or appropriateness. I was hoping editors would get a bit more time to expand the list, but here we are and perhaps an early AfD is good because the community can now decide if the list is worth expanding. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But this is the kind of minutiae that is only of interest to a limited number of readers, this is what is meant by unencyclopedic WP:FANCRUFT. It's the kind of thing that belongs on rupaulsdragrace.fandom.com, not here. --woodensuperman 14:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You've said this multiple times now. We get your stance. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pot/kettle. --woodensuperman 14:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well I see the list and they have nothing about who won or who lost, which they (the reader) would have to go visit that one specific season to know who won the lipsync. — JuanGLP (talk/contribs) 14:51, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we could easily color code the cells of winner(s). Problem solved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't encyclopedic! We are not making a fansite! --woodensuperman 14:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then what's the point of having a section about the lipsyncs from a specific season? If we kept this list, then we would have to delete the "Lipsyncs" section from every season of the franchise and its color code, in order to keep the list. — JuanGLP (talk/contribs) 14:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It makes sense if it's pertinent information discussed within the context of the season article. However, we shouldn't have an article consisting solely of a WP:CFORK of these segments. --woodensuperman 15:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The season articles have tables which display more detailed information than just the lip syncs winners, such as how many times they placed in the bottom before being eliminated. This list wouldn't need so much detail. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete list of everyone around the world on every season of the show that lip synchs? That's more trivia than encyclopedic. I can't see the utility of having such a list. Oaktree b (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • We could fork out lists for specific series if this page gets too long. In fact, I'd prefer to have lists for each series (like we have for episode lists). ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Lists. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – WP:LISTCRUFT: "In particular, if X is an encyclopedic topic, the X page should not consist only of a "list of X", in effect ostensively defining the topic. Effort should be made to write an article which verifiably defines and characterizes the topic first." This fails the first part of that (it doesn't even have a lede!), so it shouldn't be an article. It definitely feels like WP:FANCRUFT to me. My guess is that important aspects (just the "important aspects!) of this content could merged to either the main TV series article or to the list of contestants article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The same content is available on each seasons' article (e.g. RuPaul's Drag Race (season 1). This is a non-notable cross categorisation. Ajf773 (talk) 19:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Seems unnecessary duplication of content listed in the Drag Race series articles. Checked a few to make sure and the detail is presented in a similar format. See no reason for combining them in this list. Rupples (talk) 23:14, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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