Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Cluedo characters

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The result was keep. JohnCD (talk) 19:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of Cluedo characters[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. The characters featured in a board game is not a notable topic. These are not developed characters with backgrounds or involved in plot lines as you would see in a book. Any characters in spin-off/variations are discussed within those specific articles (e.g., Cluedo Master Detective, Clue Jr.: Case of the Missing Pet). AldezD (talk) 15:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There was quite a stir in the press recently when it was announced that the cast of characters was to be changed. For example, Colonel Mustard is to become Jack Mustard, football pundit — bah! See Who killed Cluedo's Col Mustard?, for example. The topic is therefore quite notable and our focus should be updating the article to include this new information. You may also recall a similar fuss when the cast of pieces for Monopoly was being updated. This indicates that such topics are more notable than the nomination supposes. What next, I wonder? Will Scrabble introduce tiles with diacritics...? Warden (talk) 15:39, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That news article is 5 years old—not recent. It does not provide criteria that shows Col. Mustard or the rest of the playing pieces from a board game meet WP:N. Although somewhat unrelated to this discussion, there is no separate article for Monopoly tokens. They are described at an appropriate level in Monopoly (game)#Tokens. AldezD (talk) 15:45, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not temporary. The age of the news article is irrelevant.--Srleffler (talk) 04:23, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The comment was directed more toward the fact that the article does not provide criteria that shows Col. Mustard or the rest of the playing pieces from a board game meet WP:N. AldezD (talk) 13:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think there are probably some sources to be had, per the Colonel above. I also think that a 60k byte article is a legitimate fork/split where merging it back to Cluedo#Suspects would be impractical, even if consistent with the Monopoly (game)#Tokens example above. But please let's come to a consensus here - taking this to DRV will be painful if we first have to work out who deleted the Cluedo characters! Stalwart111 23:48, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The nomination is simply an unsupported assertion. In fact, the characters in a board game are also those in a major motion picture. The nominator has not documented any effort to find sources, but has mistakenly implied that a five-year-old article is irrelevant, contra WP:NTEMP. Jclemens (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The motion picture is the only aspect of Cludeo/Clue in which there is any characterization of the playing pieces. All other aspects of this article simply compare differences about playing pieces from a board game. One or two lines on a playing card for each pawn is not a characterization. The article also includes intricate detail about two characters from the film who each have one line of dialogue and only appear as corpses later in the film. That information -- at best -- should be merged into Clue (film) instead of appearing in a separate article. AldezD (talk) 13:05, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The comparison of characters between different versions of the game is interesting, and the crossover of the characters into other media (e.g. the motion picture) provides sufficient depth for an article. --Srleffler (talk) 04:23, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ILIKEIT/"it's interesting" is not a valid argument for inclusion. These are not crossover characters. AldezD (talk) 13:05, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is overlong and overdetailed but it's still a legitimate topic with coverage in reliable sources[1][2][3][4][5]. In addition it has legitimacy as a break-out from the main article on the game. The example of Monopoly tokens isn't very relevant because they're just objects and don't have any backstory or personality in films/games/etc, there's far fewer, they're changed less often, etc. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Update By coincidence, I yesterday noticed a version of Cluedo which uses Sherlock characters in place of the traditional ones. The plot thickens... Warden (talk) 09:15, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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