Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Celebrity Family Feud episodes (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 19:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Celebrity Family Feud episodes[edit]

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List of celebrities who have competed on a game show. There is no precedent whatsoever for doing this for a game show; unlike a reality show or otherwise episodic competition like The Amazing Race, there is no continuity arc where a list of episodes would even be necessary, nor any "plot" to make a synopsis of. (Indeed, this is the only game show shoehorned into Category:Lists of American reality television series episodes.)

Every source in the article is either a press release about the show, unreliable self-published blogs about game shows, or wayback links to TV by the Numbers to confirm the viewer data. There is literally zero possibility of an individual episode of a game show having noteworthy production data or any other notability that would require a list of this nature. It'd be like having List of Jeopardy! episodes.

ETA: This was previously kept in August 2020, but that AFD consisted entirely of one WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument that three other people ditto'd without going into detail.

Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A nationally aired series of its own distinct from the daytime version (which I would agree would be a 'kill with fire' type of article) with a common WP:TV episode list which just happens to link-out to the contestants for each episode, and well-sourced but not so broad it's down to the questions and scores of each game in each episode (which was the rationale of the first nom and I immediately disproved). This list is not unusual compared to other primetime series, and it took me a mere three minutes to fix the category issue by adding much more fitting cats. If anyone had any objections to my linking out to the contestants, there were plenty more days in the nom and my own talk page after where they could have told me not to do so. And I do disagree that all three vote!s after me just 'per Nate'd my rationale; they had their own unique reasons for a keep. Nate • (chatter) 02:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The entries of a list do not need to be individually notable. Just the opposite: we commonly have lists "explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles" (Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists). When episode lists are too long to fit in the main article about the show, breaking it off to a separate page is standard.

The idea of requiring a continuity arc or plot synopses is too overfitted to particular genres. A more appropriate standard is whether the information distinguishing the episodes is of interest from an outside-the-fandom ("out of universe") perspective. Under this standard, a list of Celebrity Family Feud episodes is appropriate (showing who the celebrities are, which is meaningful even to readers browsing or searching and aren't watching the show). Listing The Colbert Report episodes is similarly appropriate (significant guests). An episode list with brief plot summaries for a plot-driven show is appropriate. A list of Family Feud or Jeopardy! episodes is inappropriate (the contestants and events mean almost nothing externally). Same for Judge Judy. These are just for illustration; please don't nitpick the choice of examples. I acknowledge that my criterion is not established policy: There really are no clearly established criteria, reflected by the reality that these list-of-episodes AfDs have been disputed routinely, case-by-case. Whatever the right criteria are, having an overarching narrative to chronicle is the wrong place to draw the line. Adumbrativus (talk) 12:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So by your logic, why would regular Family Feud not deserve a list, but the celebrity version does? There is no substantial difference in the games. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 15:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The list shows who the celebrities are, which, as I explained, distinguishes the episodes meaningfully to readers reading about the show and has "outside-the-fandom"/"out-of-universe" significance. It's a central element of the show. Adumbrativus (talk) 03:58, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete.... not sure why this article should remain after these others were summarily deleted:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? UK episodes

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hollywood Game Night episodes

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Deal or No Deal Special shows

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Deal or No Deal (U.S. game show) episodes

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Figure It Out episodes

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of BrainSurge episodes

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Chase (UK game show) episodes

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of My Family's Got Guts episodes

The only thing this article has for verification, of anysort, is archived TV ratings. Ajf773 (talk) 08:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As pointed out in the first nom, this doesn't match those articles, which were deleted due to finite detail with questions and game results. This merely has episode titles which just happen to link to the 'families' playing in each game. The entire point of the series is that celebrities are playing the game. Nate • (chatter) 17:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Individual episodes of a normal game show will be indistinguishably non-notable, but a celebrity edition is defined by the notability of the celebrities appearing on each individual episode. BD2412 T 23:45, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:54, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:57, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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