Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Catholic directors and producers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splash^talk 17:52, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

List of Catholic directors and producers[edit]

Same as with the others. I don't see anyone on this list (and can't think of anyone) whose Catholic faith has had any bearing on his work as a director. Pilatus 00:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep — A perfectly reasonable list for somebody trying to look up such information. — RJH 01:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOT. Durova 02:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- To elaborate, a list of Catholic publishers who produce devotional literature would be encyclopedic. The two classifications have to be related in some way or else it's just random data as in List of Methodist dentists. Durova 04:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - To further elaborate Catholicism, and religion in general, can have a strong role in films produced or directed. For example things like Dogma (film) or Francesco, giullare di Dio. This is rarely if ever true of dentistry.--T. Anthony 17:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - To further illuminate the irrelevance, two of the most reverent Catholic films of classic Hollywood are The Bells of St. Mary's and A Man for All Seasons. Ingrid Bergman, who co-starred in the former, was Lutheran. Robert Bolt, who wrote the latter, was an

atheist. Durova 20:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

- - - To further illuminate relevance "A Man for All Seasons" is in large part a historical movie as much as a Catholic one. Bells of St. Mary is clearly patronizing. It's about the equivalent of what Witness was for the Amish. So are you sincerely arguing that knowing the subject and not knowing it are completely the same? Really?--T. Anthony 22:31, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      - You'll have to prove your thesis if you want to proceed on a presumption that personal faith equates with creative validity. Most of us draw a distinction between art and life. A bit of Robert Bolt follows: Durova 15:53, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Duke of Norfolk: Why can't you do as I did and come with us, for fellowship!

Sir Thomas More: And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience, and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?

Delete. I concur with Durova (especially with his counterexample). Nandesuka 05:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and I echo Durova's comments as I made a similar point when I voted to delete the list of Jewish publishers. A list of movie production houses that specialize in Catholic-specific films would be perfectly acceptable to me. 23skidoo 05:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Durova. --Metropolitan90 06:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Durova. Edwardian 06:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, Dpbsmith's argument. Dottore So 07:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per my reasoning above: Making a list according to religious affiliation can only serve to boast or target, and such lists cannot be verified nor comprehensive. Geogre 11:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, Durova, Dpbsmith and Geogre. I also agree with 23skidoo's proposed list, should anyone ever build one. Anville 11:12, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ditto. — Haeleth Talk 13:52, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep More listophobic silliness.--T. Anthony 16:07, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Db Smith's arguments -Doc ^ask? 19:39, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. Jtmichcock 23:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete once again, this is what categories and list of countrymen are for. Antidote 23:31, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Catholics aren't a nation. I get the sense from some of these lists of Catholics that the assumption is "Catholics are whoever is from Austria, Italy, Spain, Poland, or Ireland." It doesn't work that way. I'll try to work on this one too though.--T. Anthony 02:33, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. Ejrrjs | [[User talk:Ejrrjs|What?]] 07:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this and every other list nominated to make a WP:POINT --Elliskev 19:32, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both lists, this is crazy! JBH 22:18, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Note:This vote was JBH's 7th edit (first edit November 18, 2005). Almost all other edits are in support of lists that were nominated for deletion--Bob ^talk 15:14, November 18, 2005 (UTC)

So? Is this an implication that his opinion on the matter is irrelevant? --Elliskev 00:52, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as another arbitrary combination of factors, no different than List of unmarried directors and producers. Turnstep 02:45, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. Religion is integral to an artist's world outlook and has direct impact on artistic creation thus extremely notable. --JJay 10:30, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Note-I said my piece here. However if this is motivated by people who are concerned that Category:Roman Catholics is overcrowded I hope some of you will look into placing the biographical names that are there into subcategories. If you are worried about "listmania" I hope some of you will work on putting lists in Category:Incomplete lists into subcategories. Thank you.--T. Anthony 17:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOT --Bob 19:54, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per List of Shinto electricians. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 00:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this useful info.--File Éireann 23:56, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't feel strongly enough about this one to risk getting into trouble.(Science and religion are of interest to me so I felt a bit more passionate on the topic) However This should give you some sense on Catholic movies and directors if this gets deleted. Please do not copy that information to recreate this list if this one gets deleted. I'm just saying if you're interested in the topic you can try them. My only problem is in some respects they're less reliable then Wiki.--T. Anthony 13:31, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.