Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British monarchs by longevity

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of British monarchs. That list is now sortable, which addresses one of the arguments of the "keep" side. Sandstein 07:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of British monarchs by longevity[edit]

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Unsourced WP:OR.The article is statistical trivia, such as their ages in years and days, xx,xxx thousands of days they were/are alive, and how many leap days Queen Victoria lived through vs King George III. There is also a WP:CRYSTALBALL section hypothesizing where Prince Charles and Prince William might be on the list at some future point in the next decade if either come to the throne.

Was proposed for merging to List of British monarchs, but over a year later, nothing has been decided, let alone merged from this article, so it's a valid AfD candidate. A second merge discussion to List of monarchs in Britain by length of reign has gone nowhere since May. List of British monarchs already contains all of the encyclopedic information here (name, life dates, age), and is a better place to give an overview on the notable topic of individual British monarchs.

Follows recent precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of current senators of Canada by age for deleting statistical trivia longevity articles with long stalled merge proposals. Newshunter12 (talk) 17:58, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Newshunter12 (talk) 18:03, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:15, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:15, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The main List of British monarchs is not sorted or sortable by either age or length of reign and a merge would not be possible without a significant redesign (something almost none of those supporting a merge make mention of). With over 86,000 page views last year and over 5000 in the last 30 days, this is clearly information that is being sought by our readers so there is no justification for making it less accessible (or forcing a redesign of the main list that would make other information less accessible). This makes the appropriate precedent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by length of tenure, which resulted in the article being kept for precisely these reasons. Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by age, and SSSB's rationale there.Canuck^{89 (Talk to me)} 20:30, November 11, 2021 (UTC)
Delete as this is just a unnecessary WP:CONTENTFORK of List of British Monarchs and pure listcruft. It is easily WP:FIXABLE to add a sortable column to List of British Monarchs for age at death (I don't have time to do it myself right now) which would alleviate any issues given above and are not valid arguments for deletion. I do not think it is good for the project to salami slice topics into multiple list pages which makes it far harder for readers to find information across multiple pages. Occam's razor should be applied here. Other arguments for keep above are just WP:WHATABOUTX, WP:ITSUSEFUL and WP:POPULARPAGE - all of which we are told to avoid and closers should discount. Vladimir.copic (talk) 22:46, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
An editor has now added this sortable column to List of British Monarchs so there is really no reason to keep this content fork now.Vladimir.copic (talk)

By the same token, the closer should see WP:IDONTLIKEIT for your argument - While some editors may dislike certain kinds of information, that alone isn't enough for something to be deleted. This may be coupled with (or replaced by) the unexplained claim that they feel that the information is "unencyclopedic"Canuck^{89 (What's up?)} 21:23, November 12, 2021 (UTC)
Not a matter of whether anyone likes it or not buddy. Content forking guideline is clear on this. You shouldn’t have multiple articles treating the same subject. This is a textbook case of this. If you have an issue with this maybe challenge the guidelines. Vladimir.copic (talk) 23:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that you guys are not seeing that all these list articles that you are nominating lately are indeed different topics and in most cases the information they display can't be adequately conveyed in a single table. This particular nomination can but only due to the particular nature of the United Kingdom being a stable monarchy over the last few centuries with one monarch succeeding another and never returning to the job. If you extended such a list back into medieval times with civil wars etc then it would all fall apart and be too complicated for a single table. Superegz (talk) 08:29, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment One difference is that the List of British monarchs only has monarchs since the union of 1707 whereas the List of British monarchs by longevity has the monarchs since James VI of Scotland also became James I of England. Just something that should be noted with merging these two. Superegz (talk) 02:02, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The sourcing problem is easily resolved because the dates of when British monarchs were born and died are very easily sourced. The longevity of British monarchs is a topic frequently covered in the news, so this is certainly a notable topic. The reasoning at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by age and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by length of tenure is applicable to this article as well. OCNative (talk) 19:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of British monarchs. We've tried before to merge the lists, most recently two days ago for the monarchs after 1707, but it keeps being reverted. I see no reason why List of British monarchs can't be expanded to include the British monarchs before 1707 and be made sortable by lifespan. DrKay (talk) 14:25, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Newshunter12, Thryduulf, Canuckian89, Vladimir.copic, Superegz, and OCNative: Participants at this discussion are invited to contribute to Talk:List of British monarchs#Age at death and Talk:List of British monarchs#Proposed merge of List of British monarchs by longevity into List of British monarchs. DrKay (talk) 15:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - As I mentioned in other List AfDs, these types of articles are mainly trivia. GoodDay (talk) 20:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep per OCNative. While I do think that this list and the others OC mentioned are somewhat trivial, that more comes down to WP:IDONTLIKEIT, and the only other issue for me (the lack of sourcing) can easily be fixed by adding reliable sources, most likely by taking the ones in their respective articles. OcelotCreeper2 (talk) 16:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/weak delete. Once the extra monarchs are added at List of British monarchs, this article will be a duplicate of that list. It's already a duplicate for the monarchs after 1707. Celia Homeford (talk) 10:39, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closer: when closing this discussion, shouldn't we also take into account the comments/consensus/votes at Talk:List of British monarchs#Proposed merge of List of British monarchs by longevity into List of British monarchs? Celia Homeford (talk) 10:43, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Their lifespans are already listed on the list page.2601:241:300:B610:755C:26A9:9FE8:253B (talk) 01:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am now changing my !vote to redirect to List of British monarchs, thanks to the IP pointing out that the monarch durations are already listed on the main article. OcelotCreeper2 (talk) 15:48, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.