Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Bengali Hindu language martyrs

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of Bengali Hindu language martyrs[edit]

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Re-creation of Bengali Language Movement with POV pushing. Cited sources do not mention the religious backgrounds of those who fought for the Bengali language movement. This article discriminates those martyrs based on their religion. There is no such "Bengali Hindu language" but there is only "Bengali language". Benfold (talk) 04:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for confusion. There is no intention to demean the Bengali Language Movement. This is intended to be a list of the Bengali Hindu martyrs who died for the cause of Bengali language in Assam. You are right there is nothing called "Bengali Hindu language". The title should be read as "List of 'Bengali Hindu' 'language-martyrs'". Honestly there is no intention to discriminate anyone for the basis of religion. However, as you might know that in Assam, the Bengali Hindus are identified as "Bengali Hindus" only. In that regard, the title should not be considered POV. BengaliHindu (talk) 15:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I apologies for any mistake but how do you conclude they were Hindus? Bengali names do not necessarily conclude they were Bengali Hindus. The sources you cited in the article being discussed and the Bengali language movement of Barak Valley in Assam mention only "Bengali people" and neither Bengali Hindus nor Bengali Muslims. While the Barak Valley has more or less equal no. of Bengali Muslims and Bengali Hindus then how do you conclude only Hindus fought for this movement? Please, show me reliable references and I will be more than happy to withdraw this nomination.

Please look at the family names. They are Bhattacharya, Sutradhar, Debnath, Niyogi, Deb, Pal, Sarkar, Chakraborty, Biswas, Purakayastha, Chakraborty and Das. If you look at the first names, all of them are Bengali or Sanskrit words. None of them are Arabic or Persian. So in all probability they are Hindus. Further proof is that they all were cremated and their memorials are located next to the crematorium in Silchar. It further proves that the martyrs were Hindus. I do not claim that only Hindus fought for this movement. I only listed the martyrs as Bengali Hindus because they were indeed Bengali Hindus. I do not intend to demean the sacrifice of any Bengali Muslim or Manipuri who took part in this movement. I do not intend to demean the sacrifice of 21 Feb martyrs either. BengaliHindu (talk) 16:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Family names doesn't matter at all and Wikipedia articles need proper sourcing for religious information. Like, Budhadev Bhattacharya is not a Hindu and similarly Taslima Nasrin is not a Muslim. Your probability is a original research.Benfold (talk) 09:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - delete serious POV with no reliable source Shrikanthv (talk) 07:44, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There are sources cited. Some people in this list meet Wikipedia notability criteria as individuals for reasons related to being "Bengali Hindu language martyrs". Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources you're refering to? I can only see two references. One is cited for Kamala Bhattacharya and other source is from a website whose notability is questionable. Those individuals are not the concern here. The concern is about the page that list the individual based on their religion for which there are no citations. The second source do not even contain the word "Hindu". In Bengali language movements Bengalis irrespective of their religion, fought for the cause but this article list some people labelling them as Hindus without any source. I see it as original research discriminating those who fought for the movement. Benfold (talk) 15:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When citing reference, I think reliability is more important aspect. Frontier Weekly is a left leaning journal published from Kolkata since 1968. It was founded by Indian journalist and poet Samar Sen. Many books and papers cite from this journal. I don't think its reliability is questionable. BengaliHindu (talk) 17:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which and whose many books and papers cite from this journal? Lets consider the journal as a reliable source for the time being then again the journal do not have the word "Hindu" at all to support your claimsBenfold (talk) 09:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep POV claim is unfounded. This is not a recreation of any other article with a different name. It is clearly a list. Lack of citation regarding religious background should not be a criteria for AfD. It is obvious from the family names of the listed persons that they are Bengali Hindus. BengaliHindu (talk) 16:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The list is indeed a POV which distinguishes the individuals based on their religion without a single source to support their religious background. Please, read WP:Source list. This fails Wikipedia's policy of verifiability.Benfold (talk) 09:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please refer to [1]. The writer has explicitly mentioned that the martyrs were cremated in a funeral pyre. This clearly proves that the martyrs were Hindus. I'll add it to references. BengaliHindu (talk) 16:24, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Martyrs can be merged to the main article. I did not find anything to relate Hindu with the article. All the sources present in the article refers to only Bengali people. The Bengali news source[2] in the article also mention "Altaf Hossain Majumdar" (Bengali: আলতাফ হোসেন মজুমদার), a Muslim name as one of the distinguished leaders in the movement. This news[3] from The Independent relates leaders Abdul Matlib Mazumdar, Moinul Hoque Choudhury and general muslims in the language movement. So, it is a POV to create a Hindu only list while the religion was oblivion in the struggle for Bengali language. Thank you.--Bisswajit 05:15, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, the list contains names of people who died in three separate incidents. So it is not possible to merge the whole list into any single article. And this is what lists are for. According to WP:ARTICLE, a list is also a valid article. Whether the contents of a list may be written in the main article or not is not a criteria for deletion. BengaliHindu (talk) 19:31, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have added this source[4] from Cultural Survival in the article to make it more neutral because the Bengali refugees were not only Hindus. The Refugees were both Hindus and Muslims. Thank you.--Bisswajit 05:36, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Whether Muslim migrants from East Pakistan to Assam between 1947 to 1971 are refugees or not is a legal matter. However, your reference does not say that Muslim people migrated to the Barak Valley region. People like Mazumdar or Choudhury or other Muslims who participated in the movement did not migrate from the territory of East Pakistan. If only Bengali Hindus died in the language movement, and they are listed as Bengali Hindus, it can't be a POV. If so, then calling a Bengali Hindu a Bengali Hindu is a POV. What a shame! BengaliHindu (talk) 19:41, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Religious affiliation of a person has to be supported with a citation from a reliable source. Going with the references, none of them actually talk about the religious affiliation of the persons. Moreover, I don't think all the persons listed here meet our notability guidelines as the articles on Sachindra Chandra Pal, Tarani Debnath, Birendra Sutradhar, Kanailal Niyogi have few sources with only passing mentions.--Zayeem ^(talk) 07:35, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Proof about "linguistic affiliation", "religious affiliation" and whatever b******t affiliation as needed by people (who are not even remotely related to the region in question) can be found on the internet, on facebook pages or ask anyone in Assam. I don't understand why do people ask for pages to be deleted when they don't know the history of a region. Barak Valley or Lower Assam is a much unheard region. When people don't know the history of a region, they shouldn't comment. I'm not from Karnataka or Bangladesh, so I can't comment on what happened 50 years ago in a small town of Karnataka or Bangladesh. People should know the history of a place and then comment. Some day people will say those who died in 1984 were not Sikhs, they were Hindus! Imagine how a Sikh will feel at that time. Don't brand everything as POV. AkhilKumarPal (talk) 19:05, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or rename to List of Bengali language martyrs from Barak Valley. Although, all the persons listed in the article were most definitely Hindus, but the article, with the present title, definitely comes across as POV pushing. Shovon (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TITLE, per User:Kmzayeem and User:Bisswajit.Iniciativass (talk) 06:36, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for serious POV pushing.KingofEnggs (talk) 06:38, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a valid POV candidate. Nothing to attach with a religion. Darkesthoursoflife († • ©) 06:19, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.