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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to List of Asian Americans. Stifle (talk) 11:52, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of Asian American astronauts[edit]

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This list is not notable per WP:LISTN, because there are apparently no reliable sources which consider Asian American astronauts as a group or set. This could be considered a sublist of List of Asian Americans, which isn't a particularly big list. Mlm42 (talk) 17:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. —Mlm42 (talk) 17:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. —Mlm42 (talk) 17:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In your world, Sunita Williams and Dan Tani belong to the same "race"? Really? RandomCritic (talk) 21:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, according to the article title they both come under some pseudo-umbrella of 'Asian American', so the article creator certainly seems to have thought so... Colds7ream (talk) 22:07, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's your assumption, but one entirely unsupported by the article itself, which defines "Asian American" in terms of geography (country of birth or ancestry). There's nothing in the article about race at all. If your assumptions about the article are wrong, then logically your conclusions may be wrong as well.RandomCritic (talk) 12:50, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
For that matter, "in my world" I don't particularly think there are 'Asian Americans' or 'African Americans' or whatever, just 'Americans' or, preferably, 'people'. Colds7ream (talk) 22:15, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's nice and utopian, but hardly relevant to the real world.RandomCritic (talk) 12:50, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, did no-one tell you? This isn't the real world, this is Wikipedia. Colds7ream (talk) 23:20, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
May I please remind fellow editors of WP:CIVIL. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 13:53, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There has been a lot of discussion at Wikipedia lately regarding what to do with these kinds of lists in general, and whether grouping people on ethnicity, nationality, and / or citizenship is something we should be doing, when there are reliable sources that have similar lists (like List of Muslim astronauts, or List of Jewish astronauts). This particular AfD avoids this can-of-words, because it is different for two reasons: it's not backed up by reliable sources, and it could naturally merge into a bigger list. Mlm42 (talk) 01:14, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would support either deletion or a merge, and it seems a consensus is forming around the merge. Rationale: the list has no particular notability and appears to be merely a racial/ethnic categorization that either is, or borders on, original research. N2e (talk) 19:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and No Redirect Completely agree with Colds7ream. It is so archaic, there should be no redirect. Bgwhite (talk) 06:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of the opinion of whether the division of individuals based on their ethnicity is archaic or not, a redirect should take place in order for articles with a link to this article will be redirected to where the content has been merged to. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. While some might think it should be irrelevant whether there are "Asian-American astronauts", I suspect that Ellison Onizuka would disagree, at least according to his mother (quoted in TIME after his death):

"After last week's tragedy, his 72-year-old mother Matsue Onizuka wistfully recalled her son's dream. "Ellison always had it in his mind to become an astronaut but was too embarrassed to tell anyone," she said. "When he was growing up, there were no Asian astronauts, no black astronauts, just white ones. His dream seemed too big." [1]

Or ask Daniel Tani, to whom Onizuka was a "role model".[2] Or for that matter ask NASA, which thinks ethnic diversity (including Asian-Americans as a relevant component) is a relevant goal of the space program, per this 2006 USA Today article reporting that "This composition of Discovery's crew illustrates how far NASA has come in building an astronaut corps that reflects America. . . . Today, 13% of America's 136 astronauts are African-American, Asian-American or Latino."[3] There's plenty more where this comes from.[4] --Arxiloxos (talk) 01:24, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I'm not buying your argument or sources. Your USA Today source does not say anything about what "NASA thinks". While it is true that sometimes, some people (such as Daniel Tani) have noted that specific astronauts are "Asian-American", there does not appear to be any source that actually attempts to list them. In particular, WP:LISTN requires that the group of "Asian-American astronauts" has received "significant coverage in reliable sources." It is more accurate to say that this particular group has received almost no coverage in reliable sources (try searching Google for "Asian-American astronauts"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlm42 (talk • contribs) 02:17, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Get rid of it with no strong feelings about merging, redirecting, etc. I appreciate that a couple of individuals think it's wonderful that the space corps is diverse (okay, and I do too), but that does not mean that it's worth an article. If someone really needs the list, they can use WP:CatScan. Matchups 02:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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