Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of A Series of Unfortunate Events locations

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sandstein 10:57, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of A Series of Unfortunate Events locations[edit]

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Through a recent lengthy discussion about the notability of fictional places, an editor Juhachi came to me with a concern that fictional locations with no "real-world" notability probably fail the general notability guidelines. I have read most books of the series and I know that there are many recurring places, but while I have found that other articles about lists of fictional locations do have some reasonable secondary sources that establish its notability, there are no such secondary sources here―only primary sources directly related to the series, but that, of course, does not establish its "real-world notability" that is independent of the source. I know that the Series of Unfortunate Events is particularly notable, but noting that notability is not inherited, I do not know of why this has notability in itself. In any case, while I myself am not completely certain of the merits of Juhachi's reasoning, given that his opinion was backed up by two other long-established editors in the other discussion, I have reason to believe that his reasoning is probably sound.

(Note: I would have done a PROD of this page if I had not known that it was a result of a merger between many other pages. Despite being a merger, there is still nothing on this page that establishes its notability under GNG, I would say.) New questions? 17:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note If this page is deleted, the template Template:Infobox Snicket location should also, of course, be deleted as well.--New questions? 21:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:52, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:53, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm not seeing any real world notability for this list; that conclusion is bolstered by an almost complete lack of sources. OSborn^arf_contribs. 19:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sure, notability is not inherited, so the individual places themselves do not thus merit articles in the absence of meeting the GNG. However, this is the kind of list that is an allowable fork to keep the main article to a manageable size. In other words, provided the material could be justified for inclusion in the main article, it is okay to have it in a separate article. Ma^t_chups 03:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Does it even justify inclusion in the main article, though? I mean, if it did not assert real-world notability, wouldn't it just be WP:UNDUE weight to something that did not have real-world notability, and no reliable source saying that the locations had any impact on the real world? After all, the locations is not necessary to understand the series as a whole; this looks like something that may be of interest only to fans of the series, not a general audience.--New questions? 06:36, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:30, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, no secondary sources give any attention to any location, so it doesn't matter if they're separate or glommed into one list. No out of universe notability is asserted. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect Looking over the article, it's mostly fictional buildungs that, like real-world houses, generally don't deserve a wikipedia mention at all. However, the geographic locations along with the other articles listed in the Template:Lemony Snicket under "Elements" might make for a nice combined World of A Series of Unfortunate Events article that covers all the relevant fictional details. I am not an expert in the Lemony Snicket to determine the relevance, but I'd be willing to make the to-be-removed material easier accessible for future editing. – sgeureka ^t•c 06:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.