Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ABC Christmas television episodes

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The result was delete. Jenks24 (talk) 11:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of ABC Christmas television episodes[edit]

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These articles don't meet the criteria for notability for stand-alone lists at WP:LISTN, which states, "A list topic is considered notable if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources ...." No sources have been provided to indicate that the topic of Christmas-themed television episodes on ABC, or Christmas-themed television episodes on CBS, or Christmas-themed television episodes on NBC, has been discussed in independent reliable sources. In fact, no sources have been provided at all. (See also the current AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Fox Christmas television episodes.) Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:26, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Corn cheese (talk) 23:24, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think this illustrates the inadequacy of LISTN as an absolute and singular standard for all lists, which it is not, notwithstanding a few editors who would like it to be. It is a good analysis for some lists, but not all lists. See current discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability on this, and the last, often-ignored paragraph in LISTN further makes clear there is no consensus to apply it and only it to all lists. I'm pretty sure Christmas episodes have been discussed as a group (even if not by network), but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to catalog every last one of them, just as it is not a good idea to make a list of expected voters in Ohio in the 2012 election, even though they have obviously been discussed as a group by multiple reliable sources. So perversely, some of the worst lists would pass LISTN and some of the best lists would fail it.
This list more relevantly fails WP:LISTPURP, in that the overwhelming majority of its entries are non-notable, and subdividing them by network is also not a useful way to subdivide them, so this is not a valid navigational index, split-off list, etc., and WP:IINFO for being indiscriminate trivia, so delete on those grounds. postdlf (talk) 17:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Organising Christmas specials by television network is quite arbitrary. Why not by genre? Or format? Or by decade?--xanchester (t) 19:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This type of list seems difficult to accurately upkeep; most shows will have some sort of Christmas episode each year. Would a category of holiday episodes serve a similar purpose in a better way? Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 06:24, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- That's true, and there already is one: Category:Christmas television specials.--xanchester (t) 06:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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