Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lions Gold Awards

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The result was delete. Consensus is for deletion. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:06, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lions Gold Awards[edit]

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Unnotable award show and doesn't meet WP:ORG Princepratap1234 (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Princepratap1234 (talk) 19:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Princepratap1234 (talk) 19:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - it is a notable annual award for India's television & film industry per the cited sources. It is commercially sponsored but so are the Oscars and Emmys in the US if you consider the television commercials during broadcast. Granted, they haven't been around as long but that doesn't make them any less notable. See the Bollywood Life article (Bollywood is owned by Zee Entertainment), India.com, and it's big enough to attract Getty Images. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 20:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adding much better sources that are either cited in the article now or that can be:

Times of India
Times Now News, owned by The Times Group and rank #88 in the list of India's most trusted brands.
India Today
ABP News

The award and the event are highly notable. Some of the actors and actresses who attended the 2020 Lions Gold Awards: Shraddha Arya, Kunal Khemu, Elli Avram, Ankita Lokhande, Saiee Manjrekar, Ashnoor Kaur, Shaheer Sheikh, and Ananya Panday. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 21:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Atsme, the big obstacle for me is that I'm not sure that there is any content written about the award itself. Isn't that usually what is required in order for an article subject to be considered notable? I'm not sure that just because an award event gets exposure in entertainment trades that it becomes notable by default. There are sources that cover the various phony Dadasaheb awards. In contrast, I think we know a lot more about the US's Academy Awards and Emmy Awards. We know when they were started, we probably know who started each, and we know that the votes come from the body of professionals who work in the entertainment industry. Do we know any of that about this award? It probably also doesn't help that there is no clear website (that I can find) for this award entity. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:58, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this is a run of the mill award that has virtually no meaningful independent coverage whatsoever. As identified here Bollywoodlife and others are not reliable sources. Attracting the attention of a photo agency isn't notable - they cover everything from minor local events to prestigious national events. Praxidicae (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your wikilinked reference points to this archive for that one source, and there was no formal close or consensus that supports the claim that it is an unreliable source when used in this context. I added several more higher quality sources so it's really not an issue anyway. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 21:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All of your sources provided are weak or unreliable. As is the case with most Indian media, any time there is a concern where self promotion might be involved, they can't be trusted. And yes, Bollywoodlife is not a reliable source. Go read the TF discussions beyond the single linked one. But then again, I don't expect someone who insists a source with this disclaimer This story has been sourced from a third party syndicated feed, agencies. Mid-day accepts no responsibility or liability for its dependability, trustworthiness, reliability and data of the text. Mid-day management/mid-day.com reserves the sole right to alter, delete or remove (without notice) the content in its absolute discretion for any reason whatsoever is actually reliable to be able to discern this. Praxidicae (talk) 21:27, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That article was sourced to IANS, News18 India which is a news wire, not unlike the news wires in the US, and the text you posted is a standard disclaimer for 3rd party sources. The list of RS for India is here and it also points here. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 21:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And it's not an independent reliable source (it's a PR piece.) You should know this by now. And in your infamous words "this conversation is over." I'm not interested in the back and forth with you. You've yet to present at truly independent reliable source here and I do not trust or value your judgement of these sources given your past conduct and inability to discern what is reliable and what is not in other discussions, so nothing is going to sway me in that respect. Cheers. Praxidicae (talk) 21:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? What are you talking about? Why are you mentioning that source? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 22:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, Praxidicae is correct here: the sources you list above will print any old crap. And IANS is nothing like Reuters. - Sitush (talk) 23:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Any links to the RfCs with consensus that supports your position? I realize India has a huge population and quite a few websites that partake in sensationalism, superlatives and a bit of celebrity gossip but we have that in the US, too, so it's not surprising that they have their share of questionable websites. They do have/have had live streaming video at the awards ceremonies so we're able to corroborate what's being published, and it kinda removes some of the guesswork, don'cha think? I'm hesitant to agree that everything spawned by India's entertainment industry broadly construed is unreliable. How about some proof? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 17:34, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are aware that press releases do not establish notability, correct? And you do realize that the specific source regarding IANS is exactly that? And it 's far more than a "few" websites - it's a large portion of them, including the likes of Times of India, particularly when it comes to the entertainment industry. You claim sources exist to establish notability but thus far have only linked to their Wikipedia articles, so where are these actual sources about the subject? Praxidicae (talk) 17:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm sick of these Indian jamborees masquerading as awards. No significant coverage in reliable references can be found for this shindig. Whatever notability it has acquired has come about from having an article on Wikipedia. MaysinFourty (talk) 07:45, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There's no evidence that I could find that this is a notable award function in accordance with GNG. Java Hurricane 03:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - all I have been able to find is press releases from the organisation itself etc. I note that the award is given by one chapter of the Lions among the many in India - it probably is not even representative of the national organisation, although proving that is difficult because there are zero sources that discuss the awards as a "thing" rather than a bauble. - Sitush (talk) 05:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG. I found no evidence of notability in a WP:BEFORE search I did. Newshunter12 (talk) 05:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, this award has not been the subject of enough coverage to pass GNG. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:27, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per all of the above Spiderone 14:18, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.