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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Possible merger to Albanian Resistance of World War II. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 19:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Liberation of Albania[edit]

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Discussion was misplaced on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/APOX, thus moved. Travelbird (talk) 10:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One line page thats only been edited by two users. No notability. Delete or and merge into an albanian page. --K1eyboard (talk) 08:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Obviously a notable event. I'm aware the the people there did not feel very liberated at the time. Steve Dufour (talk) 10:18, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Clearly notable, of course it needs expansion but there is no reason to delete.Polyamorph (talk) 10:31, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obvious Redirect to Albanian Resistance of World War II , where this very notable part of history is already covered with the detail that an encyclopedia is supposed to have. "Liberation of Albania" is a logical search term, and should direct the reader to something more than the lone sentence "The Liberation of Albania is considered to be the liberation of Albania from nazi Germany forces on November 29, 1944." Fortunately, other people wrote about this already. Mandsford 13:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect per Gene93k's point above: yes, this is highly notable, but no, it does not require a separate article. Yakushima (talk) 11:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It just requires expansion. The resistance lasted 5 years and this was the final act. There is some notability as to the fact that there is a lot of discussion in Albania as to whether it was a chosen date to have the same liberation day with the Yugoslavs or because it just happened to be that day. --Brunswick Dude (talk) 06:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC) I also added a book from historian Bicoku that treats exclusively about this day and the falsification of documents to claim that the last German soldier to leave Albania did so in November 29, while this is not corresponding to the historical truth. You may delete for now as I don't have access to the book, but I find copy pasted pieces of the book in several blogs such as this, which I cannot rely on for now. --Brunswick Dude (talk) 19:35, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I wouldn't be opposed to an article about an Albanian national holiday commemorating the decided date at which liberation was considered final. But otherwise, "the liberation of Albania" describes what that was and how it was done, from beginning to end. An existing article already does that. Yakushima (talk) 14:52, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment what about liberating Albania from the communists, or from the Ottoman Empire? 64.229.101.119 (talk) 06:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That thought occurred to me also, but neither of those involved partisans fighting to liberate a nation from an occupying force. In the case of the Communists, it was a relatively peaceful transition from one Albanian government to another, and Albania had cut its ties with the Soviets many years before that. As for the Ottoman Empire, the creation of Albania and other states was something imposed by the victors on the vanquished after the Central Powers surrendered. Like Yakushima, I'm not opposed to this being about what's referred to there as Liberation Day or "Dita e Çlirimit". Maybe this can be renamed Liberation Day (Albania), and we can be done with it. Looking back on it, I think that the person who created this was simply wanting to write a sentence or two about why November 29 is a holiday, rather than the CliffNotes version of the history of the Albanian resistance movement. I'm not sure why people think that this is the first time that the topic has ever been written about on Wikipedia. Mandsford 14:07, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I as a newbie, created this article, and didn't think it would create such a mess. It simply is the Liberation Day or "Dita e Çlirimit", as the Independence Day is November 28, 1912 (Albanian Declaration of Independence). I agree to moving it to Liberation Day (Albania). --Brunswick Dude (talk) 19:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why? Well, sometimes people search wrong, and read too lazily, and jump to conclusions. People like, well, me. Sometimes,[1] anyway. :-( Yakushima (talk) 04:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restructure or redirect -- We could have an article on a holiday and its origin, but the present article has too little content to survive and (if not restructured like that) should be redirected as Mandsford suggested. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:17, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, should be expanded but stubs don't need deletion. --Vinie007 20:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Did some expansion --Vinie007 21:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll withdraw my original !vote for "obvious redirect", based on Vinie007's excellent work, since that's no longer an obvious suggestion, and improvements should be encouraged. To some extent, though, I agree with Nipsonanomhmata-- it would work just as well to make Vinie's information as a section in the other article (a merge) and to preserve the title Liberation of Albania as a redirect to that section, i.e., a redirect to "Albanian Resistance of World War II#Liberation Day". Just some thoughts there. Mandsford 02:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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