Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lia Marie Johnson

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The result was this shall, indeed, be deleted. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:02, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Lia Marie Johnson

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This article has been speedily deleted 5 times since March 2010, including yesterday. It was Proposed for deletion but this was opposed. I see nothing to indicate that she meets the notability criteria (and especially the criteria for entertainers), and cannot find significant coverage of her at reliable sources which are independent of the subject. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 22:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

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This SHALL NOT BE Deleted!
REALLY? You have no idea of how many people follow her facebook page!

Lala,

|=ANTAG£JAPANR0X (talk) 22:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

It shall not be deleted? At the moment, we have no way of knowing whether it shall be deleted or not, as the community have about 7 days to discuss this. However, having a bit over 40,000 "likes" of her facebook page does not equate in and of itself as an indicator of notability. The top 100 liked facebook pages get more than twice that number of new "likes" per day! On Wikipedia, we need some indication that she meets the notability criteria, which your statement does not give. We also need some signficant coverage at multiple reliable sources which are independent of the subject - which your statement has not provided. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 02:10, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

• Delete and salt. No attempt made to provide evidence of notability. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:44, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

ArabianKnight24 (talk) 02:12, 8 October 2011 (UTC) I understand that this article has been speedily deleted 5 times. That is quite impressive. However, I (and a few other people) are trying to make an article that really details the notability of Lia Marie Johnson. She is quite "famous", with 40,82 "likes" on Facebook , 14, 782 followers on Twitter, 100,783 subscribers on YouTube, and 19529 friends on YouTube. All these numbers are growing. As I stated before, Lia is an actress who has done a lot of credited work. She appeared a movie that was shown during the EyeGore awards in L.A. She is a favorite on Kids React, a wildly popular series on YouTube. We, Lia's fan-base, are really trying to make a good article on a good person. IF you allow us, we will make this article notable. ArabianKnight24 (talk) 02:12, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

While we welcome enthusiastic editors, Facebook/Twitter/YouTube etc are not considered reliable sources. Has she received significant coverage in reliable sources (for example, national newspapers/magazines)? I searched for such sources, but did not find any. With reference to the EyeGore awards - firstly, I notice there is no article about the awards on Wikipedia, and although the short film Monster in my Swimming Pool won 2011 "Hollywood Horror Nights" Short Film Competition, Johnson herself did not win an award - she appeared on stage with the director to accept the award, but I see no indication that she has won any awards, or that this award meets the criteria for notable awards on Wikipedia. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 02:30, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply (and friendliness :D ). This article http://www.neontommy.com/news/2011/09/stars-screams-and-scares-2011-eyegore-awards mentions Lia at the very end. Like you said, she didn't receive an award herself. And like you also mentioned, she went upstage with the director. To me, it looks like she is definitely heading towards a great career. I understand if she is not "notable" enough for an article yet. However, at some point she will deserve one :) I hope this article doesn't end up getting deleted! Thanks! ArabianKnight24 (talk) 02:49, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. While the subject of the article is possibly quite talented and facing a great career, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and we have to go by existing coverage in reliable sources that attest to notability. Sadly, such coverage is still lacking today.  --Lambiam 09:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

What Rubbish!

Lia is In A popular series!! She has performed a song with a real musicican. She has made a song made "Karma", coming out in music stores soon. It will be also possible for download! I am not British!!! Look at This Search, It says About 533,000 results.That is enough for a girl that is 14!!

Here

Here

And, here

AND OF COURSE

Research

|=ANTAG£JAPANR0X (talk) 22:55, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

All good and well, but we require significant coverage in reliable sources. The links you have dredged up only provide shallow coverage in unreliable sources.  --Lambiam 12:56, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

But iTunes is a place with REAL shows and REAL music.

FantageJapanRox (talk • contribs) 20:05, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Anyone with 20 items in their catalog can sign up with iTunes and start selling their music videos there. And if you have only one video, you can pay an iTunes music aggregator to do it for you. There is no editorial control. It is just like self-published books. This means that the iTunes store is not a reliable independent source, period.  --Lambiam 22:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Alright guys. I have to admit, a good point is being made here. While Ms.Johnson is indeed facing a great career, currently she isn't notable enough for a Wikipedia article. I am confused because some actors/actresses who have appeared in one movie have their own article, but whatever. Although Lia does deserve an article, it isn't the right time. I think we should wait a little bit until she is more well known. I mean, just because my sister stars in several commercials, it doesn't mean I'm going to write an article about her. I'm still *neutral* on the subject. ArabianKnight24 (talk) 00:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: There is a generally a disconnect between mid-level youtube popularity and press coverage -- much of this is because youtube popularity is mostly youth-driven, so things like FRED, Ray William Johnson, and The Annoying Orange can be huge, yet all had difficulty in obtaining wikipedia articles because the press is slow to take notice. Lia is currently well below the popularity view-wise and subscriber-wise of those youtubers at the time they finally "stuck" here. Lia could be making major money off her videos before the press notices, so meeting WP:N is going to be difficult for her.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 04:17, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:ENT to provide significant contribution with notable productions. Fails WP:MUSICBIO as it says - yet to be professional singer and a single yet to be released! Having followers in blogs and social medias does not make one notable, yet when the time comes and her carrier develops (yet to come) as her supporters state, it should easily meet with the criteria (or reliable sorces are quoted). PF (talk) 19:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

• Delete as per above. MB (talk) 22:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I cannot believe I am saying this. But DELETE. I tried making a good article on Lia, but obviously no matter what it will be deleted because she isn't notable enough. The time will come when she will be famous enough for a deserving article. Thank you guys! Honestly, I learned a lot from this.ArabianKnight24 (talk) 04:13, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

• Delete/salt/move on there is little hope that she is notable --Guerillero | My Talk 05:14, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I understand. How do I made a word bold on this? ArabianKnight24 (talk) 06:05, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

• Delete per |=ANTAG£JAPANR0X. Salt per |=ANTAG£JAPANR0X as well, based on their behavior, unless we want to meet here tomorrow. LoveUxoxo (talk) 06:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

• Delete fails WP:GNG. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:36, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
• Delete and salt. No evidence of notability but lots of evidence that the article will be recreated in the very near future. -- Whpq (talk) 17:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:GNG Farjad0322^{(talk|sign|contribs)} 04:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
• Delete and salt - fails WP:GNG. Inks.LWC (talk) 18:33, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Salting rarely works for people like this, because you have Lia Marie Johnson (Youtube), Lia Marie Johnson (singer), Lia Marie Johnson (actress), etc., etc., that will be created, if its really true that this has been deleted multiple times already. The lack of even one substantive news article on her is unlikely to last long however. Any decent PR-minded teen can whip up some local news coverage. If she can't or won't, she'll stay deleted.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 20:17, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

• Delete No major roles, no independent sources. Edward321 (talk) 00:08, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Alright guys, I have a proposal. How about, we keep this article for a month or so. If we (meaning anyone) can find the info that you (people who want to delete this) need, the article stays. However, if we fail, this article may be deleted. However, it is highly likely that someone will make another article. So I am honestly not sure why you gusy keep trying to delete it hahah. Also, I know for a fact that as some point Lia will be notable enough for an article. ArabianKnight24 (talk) 04:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Other people agree with you ArabianKnight24, that someday she might be notable. It's only the start of her "career". But the article should come after her notablity, not before it. You agreed right, that right now she isn't notable enough? LoveUxoxo (talk) 05:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

THIS SHOULD NOT BE DELETED! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.11.223.0 (talk) 12:50, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that Lia Marie Johnson isn't "notable" enough for a Wikipedia page, because of all the rules. I understand all your points about how the article should appear after Lia's notability rises, how Wiki isn't a crystal ball, etc. So (and as much as I love Lia MArie Johnson in a non-creepy way), I guess the article will be deleted. I know the time will come when this article will be allowed haha. And Lia, if you are reading this (She definitely noticed this conversation), I'm sorry haha (: So... *Delete ArabianKnight24 (talk) 03:16, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

You did a good job trying to show the other side ArabianKnight24, I'm sure she noticed. She definitely owes you a ride in that limo! LoveUxoxo (talk) 03:39, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

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