Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leila George

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 23:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Leila George[edit]

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The article on this actress appears to coast on inherited notability via her boyfriend (Sean Penn). Coverage on her own merits is very scarce. Despite the currently active editor's issues with "third-level redirects", a redirect to Mortal Engines seems indicated. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:35, 4 October 2018 (UTC) Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:35, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - certainly doesn't pass WP:NACTOR, and absent press about her and Penn, nothing in-depth about herself, so fails WP:GNG. Wouldn't object to a redirect to the most likely target, which I agree is Mortal Engines. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:08, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Significant roles in notables productions, Mother, May I Sleep with Danger? (2016 film) and Black Swan's The Seagull, satisfies WP:NACTOR. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:49, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep~~delete~~ Most of the coverage seems to be re Penn so NOT INHERITED. The subject does seem to have some merit so perhaps TOOSOON - see what happens after more work / is released and notability can be better seen. Aoziwe (talk) 05:56, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Changing my !vote to weak keep, based on WP:NEXIST referencing by duffbeerforme. Be good if the article has some of these currently absent. Aoziwe (talk) 09:10, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Obviously fails the WP:GNG and WP:NACTRESS. A significant other of a notable person is not a sufficient reason to establish notability. This is a case of notability cannot be inherited. -- LACaliNYC✉ 21:21, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- How can you justify a claim that she Obviously fails NACTRESS when I have already explained how she passes it? duffbeerforme (talk) 23:40, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the delete arguments focus on not inherited but that by itself is not a reason for deletion. Given that she is shown to be notable without a connection to that other person any reference to "inherited" becomes irrelevant. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:40, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 20:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - a single notable role in a Lifetime tv movie doesn't pass WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:10, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- And how is that relevant to this afd? duffbeerforme (talk) 12:54, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. One unremarkable TV movie has aired, while a couple of other films are in post-production; that obviously doesn't satisfy NACTOR. Plus the press coverage is for her relationship with Penn. (The Penn is mightier than the George.) Clarityfiend (talk) 05:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG (consider the notability is not inherited from Sean Penn for WP:NOTINHERITED). Fails WP:NACTOR easily for lack of significant notable roles (1 role is not notable enough). Jovanmilic97 (talk) 13:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete.Clearly fails WP:GNG andWP:NACTOR as he had not made that remarkable characters to prove as an actress and fails to have reliable sources independently of herself to prove the notability.Vinodbasker (talk) 16:01, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Above comments (User:onel5969, Clarityfiend, Jovanmilic97, and ?Vinodbasker) claiming one role are simply wrong. They are purely focused on films and are (willfully?) ignoring theatre productions which are explicitly included in WP:NACTOR. Unless anyone can justify why theatre productions are unworthy then they should be discounted and this article should be kept based on a pass of WP:NACTOR. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:53, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A Black Swan State Theatre Company production is hardly Australia's answer to Broadway. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Clarityfiend. No one said it was. Productions don't need to be on Broadway to be notable. They become notable the same way as other things from coverage. This has that coverage, see below. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:07, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews of that staging

Borlaug, Odna (22 August 2014), "THE contrasting values of 19th century Russia are emphasised in director Kate Cherry's presentation of The Seagull.", Weekend Courier

Zampatti, David (16 August 2014), "Handsome Seagull flies the traditional route" (PDF), The West Australian

Laurie, Victoria (15 August 2014), "Histrionic Seagull fails to soar", The Australian

Other coverage of the staging.

Laurie, Victoria (13 August 2014), "Chekhov for mother and child", The Australian

MacNaughton, Tanya (7 August 2014), "friends re-unite for play", Joondalup Times

Lim, Annie (1 August 2014), "Birds of a feather", Wish Magazine

O'Connell, David (19 August 2014), "The Seagull: Leila George", X-Press Mag

Symonds, Kristy (3 August 2014), "Family Matters", The Sunday Times

None of these articles mention Penn.

Delete This article about a young actress essentially just starting her career fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR because the coverage of or her roles in one film and a few stage plays does not constitute WP:SIGCOV proving notability. Maybe in five years she will become notable enough for an article, maybe not. She also should receive no inherited notability from her famous boyfriend. Newshunter12 (talk) 06:52, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- How does the coverage of Mother, May I Sleep with Danger? and The Seagull not constitute WP:SIGCOV? How does she fail WP:NACTOR. Which of the multiple sources primarily about her are not good enough for GNG? duffbeerforme (talk) 07:49, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm expanding my keep comment to say that she passes GNG based on [1], [2], [3]. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:45, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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