Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kruti Mahesh (choreographer)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify. and I'm going to SALT the title so it cannot be immediately moved back. Mahesh is probably notable, but the article is not suitable for mainspace as a BLP. IndaneLove, you're treading on thin ice even with a clear-ish SPI. PLease let someone uninvolved work on a neutral article. Star Mississippi 13:13, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kruti Mahesh (choreographer)[edit]

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Initially, the page was moved into the draft by Praxidicae and the creator was advised to submit the draft at AfC. Despite being advised, the page was again moved back to the main namespace by bypassing AfC on the basis of poor interpretation of WP:RS/WP:RSP. Most of the citations (which are claimed to be reliable by the creator) are the interviews/first account quotes given by the subject to the portals. For more details, kindly check 1, 2, 3. The interviews can be used to source a statement of that fact. However, the existence of interviews should not generally be taken as the crux of an argument that the person has passed WP:GNG. If the person is not the subject of sufficient third-party analysis of their significance, then the existence of one or more interview pieces does not clinch them as notable all by itself.

Besides that, the title of the page has been modified by the addition of "choregrapher" as a suffix to bypass protected/blocked Kruti Mahesh which has been protected and requires extended confirmed access. Also, there is a draft existing under the same name; Draft:Kruti Mahesh. There is no doubt, that this page is end-to-end WP:PROMO, backed up by an editor who has WP:UPE/WP:COI. Hence, calling for an AfD discussion. - Hatchens (talk) 08:25, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Hatchens (talk) 08:25, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Hatchens (talk) 08:25, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hatchens She is a recipient of the National Film Award, Filmfare Award, IIFA Award and Zee Cine Award for the song Ghoomer from the movie Padmaavat. Haven’t you checked these details? - IndaneLove (talk) 09:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Most of the sources used seem to be about her talking about other people, nothing about her directly. Still leaning delete and the prior article was judged to be non-notable for our standards here. Oaktree b (talk) 14:00, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b have you checked that she has won national film award and filmfare award?

IndaneLove (talk) 11:05, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The page has already been declined once and salted so as to not be re-created. I don't see why we have to debate it again. This should be a speedy delete. Oaktree b (talk) 13:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b Please see the first criteria of WP:ANYBIO. I already explained that she has won National Film Award, Filmfare Award, IIFA Award and Zee Cine Award for the song Ghoomer from the movie Padmaavat. Still you are saying that she is not notable.

IndaneLove (talk) 18:17, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm unsure how notable those awards are, if others can confirm, I'd be open to revisiting my vote. Oaktree b (talk) 20:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b National Film Awards, Filmfare Awards, International Indian Film Academy Awards and Zee Cine Awards Please check all these articles of awards and you would recognise that these awards are notable or not. Fact is that these all awards are notable that’s why have articles on Wikipedia.

IndaneLove (talk) 21:08, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b: There is an on-going Sock Puppertry investigation on IndaneLove. You can follow it, by clicking here. - Hatchens (talk) 06:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment so it's even less notable now. Thank you for the info. Oaktree b (talk) 19:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b So you mean if Hatchens thinks that i am Sock Puppert of any other’s account then this choreographer became less notable? Sorry to say, but it doesn’t make any sense. and I don’t have any previous account so this allegation is baseless. Talking about this choreographer I explained that she has won notable awards. So please check all details. i am talking about this article so if any investigation is on going so it doesn’t mean this choreographer is less notable or non notable. National Film Award, Filmfare awards and IIFA awards are India’s most notable awards. Google would help you if you have any doubts.

IndaneLove (talk) 11:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sock puppets lower the respectability and trust-worthiness of the article. I've already voted and will not take your comments into consideration while the investigation is on-going. 15:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Oaktree b But how can you ignore the fact that she is notable choreographer? and i am not worrying about this investigation because i am not a sock puppet of any account. But I feel very bad that you are ignoring the facts and still voting for delete because of investigation is on-going.

IndaneLove (talk) 17:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this has already been discussed. Oaktree b (talk) 02:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, DMySon (talk) 06:22, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As with suspected UPE this can be complex. I note Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/IndaneLove which has, currently, a cautious outcome. I note, also, that there has been no formal Paid Editing warning given to IndaneLove hitherto. I have asked that formal question just now.
However, the outcome of this discussion does not depend entirely on the answers to those questions. Since the article Kruti Mahesh has an "interesting" history, I would expect substantial work to have been done to differentiate this new instance of it from the deleted and salted version. Not having admin goggles I cannot examine that. However I cannot see the Mahesh will have acquired notability since then
For the mixture of reasons above, and also a feeling that this is WP:ADMASQ for a marginally notable if at all creatve person I suggest deletion and salting of this iteration of the article name 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:07, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Dance. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - these recent sources appear to help support her WP:BASIC notability as a choreographer: On International Women's Day, celebrating female choreographers, from Farah Khan to Kruti Mahesh (FirstPost, Mar. 8, 2022), Dedicated to dance (Deccan Chronicle, Mar. 10, 2022), Kruti Mahesh: Every day is different when I work with Sanjay Leela Bhansali sir (Hindustan Times, Mar. 19, 2022), A look at 5 hook steps by Indian choreographers (FirstPost, Apr. 13, 2022). Beccaynr (talk) 06:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is also: The making of Padmavati song Ghoomar: Deepika Padukone’s 66 twirls, 30kg lehenga and more (Hindustan Times, 2017), National Film Awards 2019: Ayushmann Khurrana, Vicky Kaushal share Best Actor, Keerthy Suresh named Best Actress (WION, 2017, "The song 'Ghoomar' from the same film fetched choreographer Kruti Mahesh award for choreography."), Bollywood: The World’s Biggest Film Industry, review: a fascinating look at this vibrant, uplifting world (The Telegraph, 2018, "Amid the organised chaos of subsequent set visits, location shoots and a hilarious dance sequence put together for her by star choreographer Kruti Mahesh"), Makers of 'Sardar ka Grandson' drop its first song 'Jee Ni Karda' (ANI, 2021, "What makes it more interesting is that the makers had roped in National Award winner choreographer Kruti Mahesh for the song."), Choreographer Kruti Mahesh is dancing her way to success (Telangana Today, 2022), Alia Bhatt dances with abandon in Gangubai Kathiwadi’s garba song, Dholida. Watch (The Indian Express, 2022, "with choreography by Kruti Mahesh"). Beccaynr (talk) 00:52, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ @Oaktree b, @ User:Timtrent Please pay attention to the sources mentioned by Beccaynr. IndaneLove (talk) 17:21, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop pinging me everytime you post, I've made my decision as above. Oaktree b (talk) 16:10, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not badger me on my talk page. You had pinged me previously. I have said what I am going to say. The more you badger the less inclined I am to do anything you request 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning Draftify, based on the WP:PROMO content of the article, including significant reliance on primary sources and WP:TOI, and the possibility that sources identified in this discussion may help produce a more neutral article with content that supports WP:BASIC notability. Beccaynr (talk) 16:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request to admin

Please Relist this discussion for more comments from other users. Oaktree b and Timtrent voted for delete just because a SPI case was open against me but the case is closed now. Maybe other users will check the all details about this choreographer (her notable awards and reliable news sources) and a correct result will come out.

IndaneLove (talk) 05:43, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@IndaneLove Please cease your badgering. Any admin who chooses to close this discussion is perfectly capable of looking at the opinions expressed and making their own decision based upon them. If any editor disagrees with that decision WP:DRV is available to them.

Additionally please do not misinterpret my words in my opinion expressed above. It is tendentious at best and does you no favours. Again, the closing admin is perfectly capable of reading, understanding and sorting consensus out. Note, though, that the more you badger and hector the more convinced I am of UPE and WP:ADMASQ, simply because of the behaviour you are exhibiting.

Relisting may or may not be appropriate. An uninvolved editor will judge that on their own and on the merits of the discussion so far. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:59, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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