Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kostas Nikolaidis

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The result was delete. Wizardman 20:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kostas Nikolaidis[edit]

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Contested PROD; no sources can be found to show that this footballer meets WP:ATHLETE or WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 15:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Giant Snowman 15:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - this article is about a marginally notable footballer. He definitely played in the Greek third division, (I've added a match report as a source) which is professional according to the Hellenic League website, but I'm inclined to ignore WP:ATHLETE for someone who spent just a few seasons at such a low level and almost certainly won't pass the general notability guideline. Jogurney (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep reference has been added confirming (I think I can make him out as no.15?) he has played at the 3rd level in Greece, which is regarded as Fully Pro and thus meeting Athlete. Eldumpo (talk) 23:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarded as fully-pro by who? This source which is used to 'prove' notability doesn't say the article is fully-pro; in fact, it infers it isn't by saying that that teams which play in this league have been relegated "from the professional leagues", which implies that this league isn't! Giant Snowman 22:16, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I searched the Hellenic League's website (keep in mind the obvious limitations of Babelfish), and found this article which very strongly suggests that only the Alpha Ethniki and Beta Ethniki are fully professional (with youth sides). I don't read Greek, so I could be a Babelfish issue, but I know "Επαγγελματικών" means professional and its use in the article seems pretty clear. Jogurney (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails the general notability guideline Spiderone 18:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - can't read Greek either, but did his team play at a higher level while he was playing for them? To me the reference (via Babelfish) suggested it was the 2nd level, which would change things. 8lgm (talk) 11:32, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Hellenic League's website, the last time Panetolikos played in the second level was the 1999–00 season (of course they are back again in the 2009–10 season). I looked at a few match reports from the 1999–00 season and could't find Nikolaidis (it's also well before he started his senior career). Jogurney (talk) 14:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - although it's clear that he has played at the 3rd level of Greek football, it is unlikely that such level is fully-pro, and the article doesn't pass the general notability guideline. Jogurney (talk) 16:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 14:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. In no way I believe that the league he played in was professional. Geschichte (talk) 18:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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