Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koso (drink)

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The result was redirect‎ to List of fermented foods#Fermented drinks and beverages. The Keep views have not successfully refuted the claim that this is an unnecessary content fork. Owen× ☎ 01:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Koso (drink)[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NOTE, promotional in nature, and contains multiple dubious claims not supported by any reliable independent sources. No evidence that this drink has a 100 year history. Cited sources have conflict of interest or are low reliability sites repeating promotional material. Referenced studies have no direct connection to this product. Climpaloon (talk) 23:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink and Japan. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, this is a category of drink, not a product; the Japanese title simply translates to something like "fermented beverage" (i.e. made from yeast, bacteria, or mold) and the relatively promotional source found in the references was added later to a preexisting article. It's true that this is basically one of those categories containing products that often make dubious claims about health benefits, but it's not clear to me that this means it's a promotional article. It's two words, one meaning "fermented" and the other meaning "drink", and it's unclear why there would be anything particularly Japanese about it. I suggest that we redirect this to List of fermented foods#Fermented drinks and beverages. Dekimasuよ! 00:38, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not clear that this name truly applies to a category of Japanese drink. A web search primarily points back to a single brand, R's Koso, which is the source of most of the claims in this article. The Japanese language article is much broader, but I cannot locate a reliable source that describes koso as a category of beverage. Climpaloon (talk) 01:04, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To reiterate, I am not saying this is a category of Japanese drink. Rather, it is a Japanese-language phrase that can be translated into English as "fermented drink", which is why I suggested redirecting to our article on fermented drinks as a whole. As I said above, any references to the particular brand you mentioned were added to the article later on. The current article is similar to creating a separate article for cheese under the title "fromage" under the assumption that "fromage" and "cheese" are fundamentally different. Dekimasuよ! 16:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 01:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.

See the Japanese Wikipedia article, ja:酵素ドリンク, in translation. The Japanese Wikipedia article has 53 references, so this subject is notable.

I've deleted the reference spam.--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 07:13, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still think this would result in a redirect: the Japanese article is about all Fermented drinks, not a particular type called "koso". Note that if kept the correct transliteration would be Kōso, which would make the parenthetical unnecessary. Dekimasuよ! 11:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep seemingly meets notability and Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup jengod (talk) 14:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep looks like meeting GNG. 2A01:E0A:375:3810:B82B:91C2:DC5C:A05F (talk) 16:40, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per Jengod above. I usually like to say more in AfDs but Jengod said it all.Central and Adams (talk) 16:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per prior arguments, it seems to meet the threshold for individual notability. I also agree that it should be moved to Kōso so hopefully someone is bold and does that. DCsansei (talk) 15:06, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Dekimasu. The keep arguments don't make any sense - the subject is notable, no one is disputing that. The problem is that we already have an article on this topic. -- asilvering (talk) 03:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.