Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Konfin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Prevlaka. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Konfin[edit]

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No evidence of notability of this border crossing (no building, only 2 containers). Eleassar ^{my talk} 07:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 08:26, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 08:28, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is that 42°25′17″N 18°31′19″E / 42.421391°N 18.521975°E or 42°25′38″N 18°31′22″E / 42.427199°N 18.52264°E? Either way, it doesn't look impressive, but local news sources do occasionally mention it as the southernmost land crossing between Croatia and Montenegro. It's not apparently a very old toponym, ~~the older name for the place~~corr: larger nearby cape is Kobila (cf. cape at File:Vicinity-of-Prevlaka-in-Croatia-and-Montenegro.PNG), but either way it could stay more as a gazetteer matter (WP:5). --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:44, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Border crossings are very significant and this does appear to have significant coverage from sources like Vijesti and Croatian Radiotelevision. [1][2] --Oakshade (talk) 00:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think the main concern is that most of the coverage of Konfin is either about its opening in 2002, which might be WP:ONEEVENT, or run-off-the-mill coverage like the police busting some random smuggler. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:18, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~ - The first set of coordinates points to the Croatian border post (Konfin) and the second one to the Montenegrin post (Kobila). There are few sources mentioning Konfin (forex: [3], [4], [5]), the first one of those might yield material for an article - on Konfin as the border crossing established after a settlement re Prevlaka. Oddly enough, neither Konfin nor any other border crossing is mentioned in Prevlaka article (despite considerable article size).--Tomobe03 (talk) 20:22, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I went to look and found that the first book source in the Prevlaka article shows a map that clarifies the two capes. I think the basic gazetteer standard is met, so keep (but see below). --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:31, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Prevlaka seems reasonable.--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~. Border crossings are not inherently notable, i.e. they would still need to meet WP:GNG, and the coverage of Konfin appears to be strictly episodic. As a toponym, it does not appear in the (fairly detailed, at 10,000+ entries) Gazetteer of the Republic of Croatia. GregorB (talk) 17:06, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Err, the same search engine doesn't find cape Oštro, either. The only Prevlaka it finds is a settlement near Rugvica. It also doesn't list Vitaljina's hamlets. I guess that's an acceptable level of detail generally, but when it comes to contentious border regions, I'd rather we include more than less. (Merging and redirecting is fine, too.) --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:08, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note also the lackluster coverage of the Extreme points of Croatia in that Gazetteer. And Also there is intention to import all names of: islands, rivers, lakes, mountains, peaks and other dominant geographical objects according to the scale. Continuously works on development and updating Gazetteer are in progress.. They know it's incomplete. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While Extreme points of Croatia are sourced as such elsewhere, the gazetteer is incomplete, there is no doubt about that. Is there room then for, say, 15 or 20 thousand Croatian toponyms in Wikipedia? My point is that it makes no sense to go beyond highly detailed (if still incomplete) gazetteers if this is not in some way justified by the sources. I don't think such entries enhance Wikipedia. GregorB (talk) 11:19, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

These two capes are part of the Prevlaka story, and the borderline on and around them is discussed in detail in those sources. Do you see any reason not to merge it in there? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:42, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No reason at all, actually. E.g. Oštro is itself, despite at least some claim of notability, not discussed in a separate article. It makes sense because there is actually nothing much to say about it, same as Konfin. GregorB (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done, basically. Do we have a consensus for redirecting there? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 22:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

keep or redirect per Joy. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:32, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Joy and Tomobe03. 23 editor (talk) 17:38, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Prevlaka. GregorB (talk) 19:58, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.