Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Klines Mill, Virginia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was soft delete. The proposal to delete is supported, and not clearly opposed. There has been research conducted to show that a mill existed at one time, plus some other dwellings, but no assertions as to existing notability. This is a form of soft delete - the article may be undeleted into Draft space on request, from where it may be moved into main space after passing review. In order to pass review and be accepted, there would need to be sufficient content supported by reliable sources which indicate current notability according to our inclusion criteria. SilkTork (talk) 17:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Klines Mill, Virginia[edit]

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Previously bundled, re-nominating individually. The "unincorporated community" description appears to be a GNIS error; sources simply describe this place as a mill, and there's not enough significant coverage to meet GNG. –dlthewave ☎ 15:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Virginia. –dlthewave ☎ 15:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Previous participants pinged here to avoid multiple noticfications. –dlthewave ☎ 15:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe not huge amounts of coverage but...

Site of a historical original mill with the rare original milling equipment inside, has an article in the Society of Architectural Historians Archipedia.
Is the subject of a P. Buckley Moss print called - Whispers of Our Past.
Perhaps not a populated place now but was a populated place in Virginia history, see Encyclopedia of Virginia Biography, Under the Editorial Supervision of Lyon Gardiner Tyler, Volume 5, Page 893.
Appears in various Virginia history books like Old Homes in Frederick County.

Sometimes I'm a Keeper of Things around here so I am leaning toward Keep. The now somewhat-forgotten, now-unpopulated places maybe shouldn't be "erased" from Wikipedia... Shearonink (talk) 16:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This might be enough to establish GNG notability. Keep in mind that we don't have a reliable source saying that it was a populated place or community (I don't think the owner's nearby home counts), so the article would just be about the mill. –dlthewave ☎ 18:40, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Found some more:

Page 5, Possible Historic Districts, Frederick County Virginia (Official)
Klines Mill Road/Va Route 633 figures in the Civil War Battle of Cedar Creek/Sheridan's Ride. Historical Marker Database, Civil War Road Trip, Volume II: A Guide to Virginia & Maryland, 1863-1865 (Vol. 2), Page 326
Virginia State DHS Frederick County Rural Landmarks Survey contains the following text:

The complex of buildings at Kline's Mill 34-160 includes:

the log and stone mill, two brick miller's houses, a board and batten building used as a post office and several farm outbuildings. The mill, which is log on a raised stone basement, was constructed in 1794 and is one of the few in the area that survived the Civil War. The other buildings date to the mid- and late nineteenth century. Along with the complex at Bartonsville, this is the finest eighteenth- and nineteenth-century mill/industrial complex in the county.

So, at one time Klines Mill Virginia (or Kline's Mill - have to look for both spellings when doing research) was a settlement, a known place, with at least 2 houses (the ones the VA DHS mentions are brick so they survived and - don't know for sure but - there could have been other wooden houses. Wooden buildings were popular to pull down and use for whatever during and after the Civil War in Virginia) plus there is that now-abandoned post office... Shearonink (talk) 23:08, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Am just parking this JSTOR ref from 1938 here, I think it might be useful in some further research on Virginia places: Old Houses in King William County - The William and Mary Quarterly. Shearonink (talk) 02:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:13, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: For possible navigation, the previous bundled AFD was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lawthorne Mill, Virginia, closed "no consensus" on September 11, covering 10 places with "Mill" in name, and now separately running are:

--Doncram (talk) 02:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for failing GNG. The only thing this place has going for it is a barn that can be rented as event space. I didn't find anything else other than "how to get to..." direction site. The USPS doesn't have a ZIP code for a town by this name. Blue Riband► 02:16, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It might not now have a ZIP code for Kline's Mill/Klines Mill but there was a post office in/for Klines Mill at one time. Shearonink (talk) 16:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm repeating myself here but am again including some cited info to say

how can a place/a Mill that has a painting/print by P. Buckley Moss, that has an article in Society of Architectural Historians Archipedia, that the Frederick County government has identified as a possible Historic District Page 5, that the Virginia Department of Historic Resources identifies as containing "one of the few buildings in the area to survive the Civil War" and says it's the "finest 18th Century & 19th Century mill/industrial complex in the county" Page 220 -

not be notable?

It is possible somehow that as an unincorporated community "Kline's Mill" is not notable in the present-day, but the complex of buildings, the place historically known as Kline's Mill is notable. The event-space/wedding-venue business that unfortunately has almost the same name - The Barn at Kline's Mill - is not at all the same thing. Shearonink (talk) 14:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.