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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 05:34, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Katya Soldak[edit]

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Self-sourced references, nothing found that can support a BLP or GNG. appears PROMO. I find no sources other than the articles she's written. Oaktree b (talk) 20:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - I have cut down PROMO wording and added valid references to this page. As the author of the article, I assure that this is not PROMO at all. I am a normal, unpaid Wikiedian and I am not connected in any way to the person Katya Soldak. Non of the given reverences are "self-sourced". There are references to Forbes (Soldaks employee) and to UNAFF. I have added external Links to IMDd and Muck Rack journalist listing site. According to BLP I wrote the article with a neutral point of view (NPOV), verifiability (V) and on no point I did original research (NOR)! GNG: 1. Soldak received awards for her Film The Long Breakup, 2. Her articles and her film are widely recognized even abroad, 3. Katya Soldak has an entry at MuckRack.
J. Lunau (talk) 22:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to The Long Breakup. I don't doubt the truth of this page, but it lacks sources that are independent of the subject and it's unclear that Soldak has notability beyond this one documentary. pburka (talk) 23:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Support-the redirect is indeed an elegant solution. Newklear007 (talk) 14:59, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
     Comment: I understand the arguments for a redirect, but I disagree. That's why I added more sources to the article. That Soldak is also remarkable as a journalist is shown by the fact that her articles were used as reference more than ten times in the English Wikipedia. If Wikipedia users search here for the name of the journalist Katya Soldka, it would certainly not be helpful if they ended up redirecting to the film article The Long Breakup. J. Lunau (talk) 14:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @J. Lunau: I think you're arguing that she's notable as a journalist. Our notability guidelines for journalists are found at WP:JOURNALIST. Which of the criteria does this article meet? pburka (talk) 14:59, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @pburka: thank you for your reply, which showed me, that the articel did not say much about her work as notable journalist. I added her actual position as editorial direction. I think with that and the fact, that her work is seen in other media, the article meets the first criteria "Journalist...is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors". J. Lunau (talk) 17:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @J. Lunau: To be regarded as an important figure we need to see evidence of other people commenting about her career. Can you point to examples on reliable sources where other people write about her? pburka (talk) 18:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Newklear007:,@Pburka: I do not know this kind of sources, Pburka is asking about. In my opinion that is not needed to make this journalist notably for Wikipedia, because the citied criteria says "...is regarded as an important figure or". Since this arcticle was suggested for deletion, I added new facts to show the importance of this person for Wikipedia: 7 new references, bibliography, details to education, details to career where now are the most important work is shown. I hope, this will help to keep the article with all its valuabel informations instead of just having a redirect.--J. Lunau (talk) 10:53, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep. She is the international director of a news outlet. She is the director of a well known film (The Long Breakup) and I think the later borderline gets her a pass at WP:DIRECTOR criterion 3 " well-known work" and "primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews". Examples to support that:
  1. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/06/30/arts/refuge-bookstore-legacy-hate-roots-conflict/ (high quality, independent, but not the primary topic, despite being a primary topic)
  2. https://www.orlandoweekly.com/movies-tv/orlandos-global-peace-film-festival-shines-a-brilliant-light-on-people-places-and-ideas-whose-time-has-come-32460429 (Independent, arguably if it's the primary topic, local coverage only)
  3. https://www.golosameriki.com/a/the-long-breakup-interview-with-katya-soldak-(ukraine)/6540915.html (primary topic, partly relies on interview, so lacking independence)
  4. https://www.ertnews.gr/eidiseis/politismos/tv/ert2-the-long-breakup-ena-sygklonistiko-ntokimanter-gia-ton-agona-tis-oykranias-na-xefygei-apo-tin-agkalia-tis-rosias/ (satisfied all criteria, although not very long)
So in summary, each of the sources above are, in some variable way, flawed or imperfect. Also the definition of "well known" is up for debate and I've disagreed with many excellent editors who I know tend to view the bar higher than I do on this topic. So overall therefore I vote weak keep to acknowledge that. CT55555(talk) 18:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero Parlez Moi 13:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep
It's important to keep the page on the filmmaker and journalist Katya Soldak as one of the Ukrainian voices right now shining the light on the Russian war on Ukraine and the importance of Ukrainian perspective in covering news. Soldak frequently speaks publicly about the war in Ukraine, Ukrainian identity, media and importance of Ukrainian perspective in covering news.
Soldak has moderated panels during the 2022 and 2023 World Economic Forum in Davos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S9yoLUsyOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QO3O32AzN4https://www.ukrainehousedavos.com/press-release/ukraine-house-davos-opens-from-jan-16-19-in-davos-stellar-programme-of-events-and-speakers-www-ukrainehousedavos-com/Most recently she spoke about documenting the war at the Night of Ideas in NYC: https://nightofideas.org/new-york/people/
Lermanalexandra (talk) 18:35, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep
It's important to keep the page on the filmmaker and journalist Katya Soldak as one of the Ukrainian voices right now shining the light on the Russian war on Ukraine and the importance of Ukrainian perspective in covering news. Soldak frequently speaks publicly about the war in Ukraine, Ukrainian identity, media and importance of Ukrainian perspective in covering news.
Soldak has moderated panels during the 2022 and 2023 World Economic Forum in Davos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S9yoLUsyOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QO3O32AzN4https://www.ukrainehousedavos.com/press-release/ukraine-house-davos-opens-from-jan-16-19-in-davos-stellar-programme-of-events-and-speakers-www-ukrainehousedavos-com/Most recently she spoke about documenting the war at the Night of Ideas in NYC: https://nightofideas.org/new-york/people/
Lermanalexandra (talk) 18:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:15, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Significant person, and the article has been redesigned so that now it is not look like an advertisement. I don't think we can redirect and save the information about this person without loss. I think that over time this article will be supplemented. -- George Chernilevsky talk 06:46, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment listed here to generate further discussion --J. Lunau (talk) 15:20, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep In addition to the other sources discussed, I think these two that are entirely about her and give a fair amount of detail about her life are a good showcase to notability.
  • Rash, John (May 14, 2022). "'The Long Breakup' gives context to conflict". Star Tribune. Retrieved March 31, 2023 – via ProQuest.
  • Campiotti, Alain (April 4, 2022). "Contre le réalisme" [Against Realism]. Le Temps (in French). Retrieved March 31, 2023 – via ProQuest.
One of the things about a documentary like this is it is also primarily about her and her life. So the focus is also on her as a person. SilverserenC 14:54, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, enough sources have been found to pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as I agree with other comments on here that this article clearly has enough sources to prove that she is notable enough to keep.Historyday01 (talk) 16:18, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Seems to meet notability requirements based on the sources that have been found. --TylerBurden (talk) 20:39, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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