Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karachi Football League

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The result was keep‎. Sandstein 19:31, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karachi Football League[edit]

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 22:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Pakistan. Joeykai (talk) 22:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Concur that it fails WP:GNG. Also a regular target of disruptive editing. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 13:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Pakistani football league system as possible search term. Giant Snowman 13:49, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~This is a good WP:ATD. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]
It's not mentioned at the target article, so isn't a good place to redirect. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment To be honest I am not sure I truly understand this nomination, there are lots of different sources for the league, databases, primary news sourcing, teams, sponsors, other stuff. Google had lots of different things for a 21 year period of history. So I am myth'ed by the nomination. I feel it is better to redirect points to this article. And the article could possibly be expanded on. Govvy (talk) 14:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Also, why would you redirect an article that already has some sourcing to an article with no sourcing at all. I don't get that logic either. Govvy (talk) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG, and don't see value in redirecting to Pakistani football league system, where this league isn't mentioned. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 00:56, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Semi-professional league with no independent coverage. - Altenmann >talk 02:21, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Altenmann, How are major media outlets such as The Nation (Pakistan) and The News International not independent? Nfitz (talk) 22:30, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Clarification: with no significant independent coverage. The sources you cited simply mention the league, without any encyclopedic description of it. Your user page says you are here for 18+ years, so I am surprized you dont know basic notability guidelines. Or are you just trolling me for my sloppy !vote? :-) - Altenmann >talk 22:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  FootballPakistan.com covers the league with complete depth, as it can be seen here [https://footballpakistan.com/category/local-competitions/karachi-football-league/page/3/] if I search by the hashtag there are like 80 articles (10 per page). It is a completely independent platform from the Pakistan Football Federation covering Pakistani football since 2003. Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 14:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  Additional independent sources, prominent news outlets covering the league with match details such as Dawn [1] or The Express Tribune [2]. Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 14:36, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  That's an extremely rude and unwarranted response User:Altenmann. I'm surprised you've been here 20 years, and still don't know about the 5 pillars and that civility is paramount. I can only respond to what you say - not what I might have thought you meant. I thought you were dismissing these sources as non-independent - perhaps under some misunderstanding that the Pakistan media is government-controlled (which sounds kind of whacky - but we have had others make that argument for other nations!). Still, it's pretty clear from the discussion below, that there is significant independent reporting - so why have you not removed your "vote"? I'm also surprised that people think that any professional league would be not notable. We've had debates before about teams who were semi-professional, and players that are semi-professional - but I can't recall ever discussing an entire semi-professional league! That's normally a discussion for strictly amateur leagues! Nfitz (talk) 19:18, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose Same points as @Govvy:. I did some changes to the article and the topic has decent coverage on RSSSF, appearing even on the main RSSSF page of Pakistan [3].- Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 14:35, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That reference fails WP:SIRS. Speficially, it is not WP:SIGCOV. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Even the English language references here, indicate that the media cover this league. Here's some Urdu references - one, two. Was there a search for Urdu sources before the nomination? Nfitz (talk) 23:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:THREE, please list three references that demonstrate WP:SIRS. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:33, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See my previous replies above. Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 14:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of those pass WP:SIRS. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The sources I saw in Urdu were primary, generally non-independent coverage of events, not sustained secondary coverage of the league. For example, the Urdupoint article above is entirely reporting what the league commissioner Wahab said, not offering any secondary analysis. FPDC doesn't have any indication that it's RS.

JoelleJay (talk) 20:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The league has significant media coverage that passes the criteria of WP:GNG, as evidenced[4][5] by notable sources. War Wounded (talk) 07:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources cited by War Wounded and Nfitz. Passes GNG. Carrite (talk) 00:35, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article now has enough refs after expansion. Codenamewolf (talk) 00:14, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:GNG. Football is mainly popular (at least historically) in Lyari among the community of African origin called Siddi. This is an important touranment for them and deleting it would be discrimination. We are not creating articles about individual seasons rather an overview article and for that there is enough coverage in mainstream media of Pakistan: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12]. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 13:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 09:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources now located and added which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:02, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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