Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kaori Kusakabe

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The result was delete. Doesn't meet WP:N and WP:ENT, and WP:MUSIC qualifications are extremely marginal. Jayjg ^(talk) 04:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kaori Kusakabe[edit]

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Not enough evidence of notability. Only one support role doesn't constitute a voice actor career and thus fail WP:ENTERTAINER. It has a Japanese Wikipedia article that doesn't offer much room for further investigation. My vote is Delete. KrebMarkt 15:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. --KrebMarkt 15:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC) [reply]
Delete conditional on her having only that one role. --Gwern (contribs) 16:26 31 January 2010 (GMT)
Merge by inclusion in list of cast in Ronin Warriors. Not notable in own right in accordance with the policy guidelines of WP:CREATIVE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipeterproject (talk • contribs) 16:38, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as she has had two ranked albums (one at #44, and one at #12), so she meets WP:MUSN criteria #2. Incidentally, she also meets criterion #5 ("Has released two or more albums on a major label", and King Records is a major label), #6 ("Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians", and Mariko Kōda is very notable), and #10 ("Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc.", and Samurai Troopers is considered notable). I'll see if I can find anything else, but this alone makes her notable. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reply I should raise the point that she performs only one track par album for a total of two tracks. Calling a "safe" for two tracks is stretching much the inclusion guidelines. --KrebMarkt 18:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Yes, but she also meets the other several criteria, not just one of them. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the irony that a whole slew of voice actors may pass a SNG not by their voice acting career but by singing the opening or ending theme of an anime. I reserve the right to use the "That person sung in the opening/ending theme" argument in future Afd. --KrebMarkt 18:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They have to pass another criterion in order to pass that one (at least according to the note there). ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That will always go along the "Major label" argument for anime. Beside the ranked in either the Oricon singles 100 or albums 300 charts option is always high with anime. --KrebMarkt 19:19, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Er, if I'm reading that right, she did not have two charted albums from a major label, but rather one track each on two charted albums from a major label. I'm pretty sure WP:MUSIC #2 wants either an entire album by the artist or a single that charts, and that the same goes for #5. I don't think she's notable on those grounds. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Even if that is the case, #6 and #10 still apply here. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:51, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Er, "ensemble" is usually taken to mean a group that performs as a single artist, not part of an ensemble cast. I'm not seeing any mention of her part of any group, let alone a notable one, which would seem to mean she doesn't meet #6 either. #10, yes, but the guidelines specifically say that if that's the only claim, merging to the show is probably the course to take, which is what I advocate: selectively merge to Ronin Warriors. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She performed on two successful albums, and was on a notable series. I don't see why voice actors would be treated differently than regular actors when it comes to notability by being on a television series, and three made for video movies that followed. And did this person retire? Nothing else in their career? I Googled for her name in Japanese, but sorting through those results with Google translator is rather tedious. Dream Focus 10:53, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Be accurate would you. This person had a support role in an anime franchise comprising one anime series plus 3 OVAs. For that series she also performed 2 songs which are part of two albums produced by King Records. The two albums ranked in the Oricon albums charts. On that basis she doesn't neither meet the General Notability Guideline nor Specific Notability Guideline for entertainer. However Nihonjoe asserted that this person meets Specific Notability Guideline for music performer. This Afd discussion is around that point. --KrebMarkt 12:55, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. --KrebMarkt 13:53, 1 February 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Delete Completely fails WP:N and WP:ENTERTAINER; the claims of the two albums are irrelevant when they are not HER albums -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:30, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Scott Mac (Doc) 21:55, 8 February 2010 (UTC)Kaori Kusakabe[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:17, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This person only meets one of the criteria for WP:MUSIC and even then it's questionable as she only sang on a track on each album, they're not her works. She hasn't been acting in enough productions to qualify under WP:ENTERTAINER. If anyone could bring up any other important contributions to productions she might barely pass but as it is she doesn't. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 15:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per Dreamfocus (don't forget voice actors are big stars in Japan).--Karljoos (talk) 20:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I do not agree that her performing on a couple of tracks means she meets #2 or #5 of WP:MUSIC as they are not her albums, #6 doesn't apply (it may apply to Samurai Troopers but that isn't under debate), #10 is probably the closest you can get but there is a caveat and I don't think she performed the opening or ending themes so I don't see that applying. However, it is pretty clear that any 'real world' notability (as opposed to the wikipedia notability rules) is derived from her performance in the show rather than the music spin-offs. There doesn't seem to be enough to meet WP:ENT, and the general notability guidelines are certainly not met. Quantpole (talk) 23:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It is not even close. Her voice is incidental on the albums. Fails WP:ENT, fails WP:MUSIC. --Bejnar (talk) 02:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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